Hi, On Mon, 17 Mar 2025, Soren Stoutner wrote: > I would be interested to hear if you are aware of any other decision > making process that you think should decide this issue. For example, > imagine that I opened a bug against l.d.o and the listmasters decided > to implement the change I propose. Do you think those who are against > that change would be satisfied by that process? 1/ They would not but the decision would have been taken without inflicting multiple hours of reading to 300 persons (that's what you are asking of all of us to make an informed vote through a GR). 2/ The whole point is that we trust the listmasters to weigh in the importance of the arguments brought by the various parties, and to take the best decision for Debian. 3/ Those who oppose will still have the GR solution to override the listmaster if they care so deeply about it. But usually at that time, the decsision taken by the delegate has already integrated their feedback in one way or another, and this happens quite seldomly. What people are trying to tell you here is that skipping the discussion with the listmaster is wrong. Yes I recognize it will not necessarily apply everywhere, but as with anything in Debian, changes take time to be deployed everywhere, in particular when it comes to cultural habits. But having the listmaster rubber-stamp on this decision, it will be easier to convince the other relevant parties (i.e. bug tracker maintainer). We all need patience and perseverance to bring meaningful changes to the project (and I speak as one of the persons having created and pushed for the 3.0 source formats: https://trends.debian.net/#source-formats, it took 15 years!). Even for what looks like simple changes, the truth is that they usually have more impact that what you might expect. Cheers, yet another mutt+vim user. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Raphaël Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/get/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ Debian Long Term Support: https://deb.li/LTS
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