Re: General Resolution to deploy tag2upload
Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> writes:
> On 17273 March 1977, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
>> Refusing to make a decision is a decision.
> We haven't refused to make one.
> We haven't been asked for one, even.
Don't you think this is getting kind of absurd? I flatly don't believe
that you actually believe that. There is literally no way that you could
think, after all of this discussion, that you haven't been asked for a
decision or what that decision is about.
*As soon as* you indicated that there was some willingness to move your
position, people reinvested substantial effort into trying to have that
discussion, including multiple replies and attempted discussion with
Ansgar despite his quite open hostility earlier in this discussion. You
said at that time, and I am quoting from your message in
<[🔎] 87sexbl45e.fsf@ganneff.de>:
| I would ask you to wait a bit more before continuing with a GR (in the
| term of days, not months), at least some time, but do whatever you feel.
That was ten days ago. Sean did exactly what you asked.
When that conversation stopped, entirely on the FTP master side, people
waited and then Sean you to provide some indication of whether you were
still considering the options. There wasn't a response.
This process is utterly exhausting. You are asking people to prolong it
even further. You have to give them *something* that justifies doing that
if you expect them to agree, at least a message saying that there's a lot
of material to digest and providing some rough timeline. You can't ask
people to wait days but not weeks for a GR, stop responding to them, and
then get angry at them for doing what you asked and moving forward when
you didn't reply further. Or, well, you *can*, but it doesn't seem
justified to me.
I know people are reluctant to go to a GR for these types of decisions,
but at some point there *has to be an end*. Otherwise, it's just a form
of decision by attrition: exhaust people until they no longer care whether
their request is approved or not, or possibly about Debian at all.
If you think there's something more to discuss that would help you change
your mind, the GR isn't happening tomorrow. But there has to be an end in
sight. Doing things in Debian cannot be an endless series of procedural
hoops, beyond which is simply more procedural hoops.
--
Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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