Sorry for replying twice, I accidentally left out one reply. Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> writes: > On Wed, 2022-02-16 at 13:27 +0100, Gard Spreemann wrote: >> Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> writes: >> >> > On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 18:47 -0700, Sam Hartman wrote: >> > > I think there are problematic uses of votes well beyond >> > > harassment >> > > though. >> > > >> > > * After this, I think the next vote is going to be about >> > > firmware. >> > > Do we want companies like Nvidia who may have opinions about how >> > > distributions should think about freedom looking at how people >> > > vote >> > > when they consider hiring DDs? >> > >> > They can already do the same for mailing list communication. Do we >> > want >> > to avoid this by making mailing lists non-public (subscribers only, >> > or >> > project members only depending on the list)? >> >> By this token, votes in democratic countries needn't be secret, >> because there are channels in which people publicly express their >> opinions. > > And indeed most votes are not secret such as: > > - votes in parliament or similar, > - votes by shareholders of publically traded companies, > - votes in general meetings of associations (maybe comparable to > the idea of GRs in Debian?), > - votes in many decision bodies. > > Some votes in these groups may be secret. True, but in the first two examples, we are talking about the votes of people who are beholden to other (groups of) people. The public has a vested interest in their parliament, and therefore also has a good reason to demand to see the votes of the parliamentarians. I don't think that we see Debian as beholden to outside interests that can demand anything of us? (Although, I guess one can see the Social Contract as this sort of relationship between Debian and the Outside World). > Sometimes individual votes are only visible to members (say for people > present at association meetings); for Debian this might be comparable > to having the tally sheet only visible to project members. To me, an internally open, externally closed, tally sheet seems like a very nice compromise. If such a proposal comes up during a voting secrecy GR, there is a good chance I'll rank it highly :-) -- Gard
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