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Re: General resolution: Condemn Russian invasion of the Ukraine

Julian Andres Klode <jak@debian.org> writes:

> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 03:46:46PM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 04:17:42PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> > On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 12:31:18PM +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
>> > > Under 4.1.5 of the Constitution, the developers by way of GR are the
>> > > body who has the power to issue nontechnical statements.
>> > > 
>> > > This is a proposal for Debian to issue a statement on an
>> > > issue of the day as given as an example, the recent invasion
>> > > of Ukraine.
>> > > 
>> > > ==== Text of GR ====
>> > > 
>> > > The Debian project issues the following statement:
>> > > 
>> > > The Debian project strongly condemns the invasion of Ukraine by
>> > > Russia. The Debian projects affirms that Ukrain is a souvereign
>> > > nation which includes the Donbas regions of Luhansk, as well as
>> > > Crimea, which has already been illegaly annexed by Russia.
>> > 
>> > I do not believe that Debian starting issuing such statements for 
>> > political issues of the day would be a good idea.
>> > 
>> I think this is a good position, especially in this case.
>> We have Debian developers and users in Ukraine and Russia: hostilities continue.
>> If the project were to endorse this, you might put people in a dangerous
>> situation - in an area subject to Russian control, anybody involved with
>> Debian, even peripherally, would be breaking Russian law if the above
>> passed and might be subject to 15 years imprisonment.
>> [A factual statement with no further judgment].
> Can you provide a source?

If you've not noticed that the whole of Russia's independent media has
given up publishing over the last month, largely because of this new law
that imposes maximum penalties of 15 years in prison for spreading
"false" news, such as referring to what the Kremlin calls a "Special
Military Operation" as a "war" or "invasion", then you've really not
been paying attention ... in which case, you don't know enough about it
to propose a GR (even if such a thing was a good idea, which it isn't).

Given that Putin's not going to suddenly come to his senses upon hearing
that Debian doesn't like his war, the only effect such a GR is likely to
have would be to sow division within the project where none needs to

It also has the potential to give the false impression that Debian
supports Putin if enough people are against such statements (regardless
of their content), and vote NotA first to show that.

BTW I note that you are missing the 'e' from Ukraine in your GR, among
other typos, which reinforces the impression that you didn't really
devote much concentration to this GR.

Cheers, Phil.
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