On Thu, Nov 07, 2019 at 01:04:20PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > ---------------------------------------- > version 2330c05afa4 > Choice 1: Affirm Init Diversity [...] looks generally like a fine option to me. > Choice 2: systemd but we Support Exploring Alternatives [...] as others have said, this mixes init systems with systemd-logind. > Choice 3: systemd without Diversity as a Priority [...] I guess this option will get ammendments: a.) 'systemd without diversity as a priority' sounds like systemd is against diversity. I think this is borderline insulting. So I expect this will attract someone proposing another option called 'Embrace the future (*) and a modern init system' or such. *) or 'Embrace new technologies...' b.) I guess some will want something like this option on the ballot but without the commitment about working with downstreams _worded this way_. c.) Some will not want 'Packages should include service units or init scripts to start daemons and services' but rather a much stronger recommendation to drop init scripts and ship unit files. On top of all of this, systemd provides much more features than unit files as the thread on -devel showed. There is no word about these technologies in this GR proposal. I think that's a flaw in this proposal. Then, I think the ballot also misses an option for the sysv-lovers, 'Embrace systems without systemd' or some such, which explicitly forbids using systemd technology without alternative support working on sysv systems. I think it would be very useful to know whether 0.5, 5%, or 15% or 25% (or more?) of our developers think such would be a good choice. Finally, I don't think it's a good idea to rush this to a vote in 7 days. I'm tempted to mail d-d-a to make people who are not regularily read -vote aware of this discussion. (There are also many people who don't read -devel.) Sam, I'd appreciate if I wouldn't need to do that, because you sent such a short pointer to -vote on d-d-a *before* calling for a vote. Like now. Last, and definitly not least: many thanks for working on this, Sam. -- cheers, Holger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C
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