Hi Kurt, * Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> [2016-07-16 20:52:03 +0200]: > On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 04:46:04PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > > * Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> [2016-07-08 16:21:32 +0200]: > > > > > On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > > > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > > > > > > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > > > > > > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private > > > > list archives" is repealed. > > > > 2. In keeping with paragraph 3 of the Debian Social Contract, Debian > > > > Developers are strongly encouraged to use the debian-private mailing > > > > list only for discussions that should not be disclosed. > > > > > > > > === END GR TEXT === > > > > > > What does this mean for messages to private between the 2005 GR > > > and this GR passing? Could you be more explicit about it? > > > > The GR doesn't mean anything for messages that have been sent to -private, > > actually. It just removes a process that has not been enacted for 10 years, and > > won't be in the future. > > > > I would probably accept an amendment making the title of this GR "Acknowledge > > that the current process for debian-private declassification won't be enacted, > > and repeal it." or something more English. > > > > > (I'm also not sure what the situation before 2005 really was.) > > > > Me neither. In my interpretation of our current foundation documents and > > regulations, repealing the 2005 GR means that the listmasters are now empowered > > to do whatever they wish with the debian-private list archive > > This is at least very confusing. The title says "will remain > private", but none of the text says anything about it being > private and you now seem to suggest that listmaster can just > decide that it's not private. I agree that the current title is misleading, as it doesn't convey the wording of the full proposal. I think that the title could be changed to someting along the lines of "Acknowledge that the current debian-private declassification process will not be implemented", but I think that's too long. Maybe "Revoke the current debian-private declassification process"? I don't know if such a title change falls under A.1.6 or not, as the actual meaning of the GR is the text, not its title, but the title might have misled people into seconding. *shudder* > We do have this text in the developer's reference: > 4.1.3.A Special lists > > <debian-private@lists.debian.org> is a special mailing list for > private discussions amongst Debian developers. It is meant to be > used for posts which for whatever reason should not be published > publicly. As such, it is a low volume list, and users are urged > not to use <debian-private@lists.debian.org> unless it is really > necessary. Moreover, do not forward email from that list to > anyone. Archives of this list are not available on the web for > obvious reasons, but you can see them using your shell account on > master.debian.org and looking in the ~debian/archive/ > debian-private/ directory. That's right. However, the Developers Reference is not a binding document, merely a documentation of existing practice. When and if declassification happens, whether by listmasters or by others, the devref will need updating. Thanks for your feedback, -- Nicolas Dandrimont Dijkstra probably hates me (Linus Torvalds, in kernel/sched.c)
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