Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems - SysV is FINE.
I myself do not like systemd either.
Why don't I go use some other distro
since a vote was won on some corner
mailing list by a grand total of
4 people infavor and 4 people against
about one week ago??
Debian is the universal operating system.
I shouldn't have to.
Everyone, here it is again:
"You do not like systemd, then get out"
Simple mantra repeated by the systemd men and women.
I should be able to chose my init system,
just as I am able to chose my kernel, my
window manager, my email client, everything.
Linux IS about choice.
Debian doubly so. Debian IS the universal operating
system, and that is not just a slogan.
Secondly, just about every upstream linux distro
has been target by and has been caused to
switch to systemd. All the rest of the distros
are mostly derivatives of the 8 big ones.
There is no choice anymore, practically
Any dissent has been banned and purged
from a number of them.
I should not have to forgo all the packages
of debian, all my experiance with debian
(13 years), because four people deciced
I and everyone of the thousands
of debian developers and debian users
should use systemd and that is it.
The people who make debian are not
beholden to gnome, systemd, redhat.
The people on that committie might be.
The people like me who are opensource
programmers do not have to just accept
the decision of the systemd backers.
You keep pushing us and pushing us
and conquring our community projects.
This will have consequences.
--- firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
From: "Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com" <email@example.com>
Subject: Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems - SysV is FINE.
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:21:09 -0500
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 19:26:48 -0800
"Natural Linux" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> System V is NOT hard to "maintain"
> The scripts were written YEARS ago. They're fine. They do NOT need to
> be changed. Debian SysV has concurrent boot aswell.
Hey Natural Linux
You and I are different.
When I post, I put my real name because I'm proud of who I am, what I
do, and I want people to know me.
When I post to tech lists, I usually leave my rage about politics out
of my post, unless the politics directly involves technologists, such
as H1-B etc.
Just like you, I sometimes get angry. But I try to leave anger out of
my emails, because it ruins credibility.
Just like you, I have my likes and dislikes, and sometimes I rant. Like
about KDE and Kmail. But when I do, I don't go on a KDE list or Kmail
list to rant about these things, because I long ago found found Xfce
and Claws-Mail (or Mutt or Thunderbird) as substitutes. So, instead of
yelling at the Kmail guys, on the Claws-Mail list I gloat about how
much better Claws-Mail is than Kmail, and help Kmail refuges to
transition to Claws-Mail. I don't waste of time telling Kmail fans how
bad their product is. Life's too short, and I have a life.
You don't like Debian's choice. That's cool. There are lots of distros
out there. And it sounds to me like it might be doable to replace your
distro's chosen initialization. Rather than tell Debian people how
stupid the Debian choice was, why don't you just choose another distro?
Why don't you just find a distro not using systemd, switch to it, join
*their* list, and gloat how much better their distro is than Debian.
Do that, and you can even use your real name proudly.
Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance
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