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Re: Norman Petry and I (Ossipoff) recommended CSSD, but Schwartz Woodall is a better voting system for Debian



Michael Ossipoff writes ("Norman Petry and I (Ossipoff) recommended CSSD, but Schwartz Woodall is a better voting system for Debian"):
> Example 1:
> 
> Sincere preferences:
> 
> 99: A>B>>C
> 2: B>A>>C
> 100: C>>(A=B)
> 
> The A voters rank sincerely, and the B voters defect:
> 
> 99: A>B
> 2: B
> 3: C

In Debian's system, this will result in A winning.

A vs B:
  99x "A>B"  count as preferring A to B
   2x "B"    count as preferring B to A
   3x "C"    count as preferring neither A to B, nor B to A
  So A defeats B.

A vs C:
  99x "A>B"  count as preferring A to C
   2x "B"    count as preferring neither A to C, nor C to A
   3x "C"    count as preferring C to A
  So A defeats C.

The Schwartz set contains only A.

> 2 defecting B voters have stolen the election from 99 co-operative A voters.

So you have misunderstood Debian's voting system.  See particular
Constitution A.6(1).

> ----------------------------
> 
> Here's another example in which the 3 factions are nearly equal in size:
> 
> Sincere preferences:
> 
> 33: A>B>>C
> 32: B>A>>C
> 34: C>>(A=B)
> 
> Actual votes, when A voters co-operate and B voters defect:
> 
> 33: A>B
> 32: B
> 34: C

A vs B:
  33x "A>B"  count as A>B
  32x "B"    count as B>A
  34x "C"    count neither way
  A defeats B by 33:32

A vs C:
  33x "A>B"  count as A>C
  32x "B"    count neither way
  34x "C"    count as C>A
  C defeats A by 34:33

B vs C:
  33x "A>B"  count as B>C
  32x "B"    count as B>C
  34x "C"    count as C>B
  B defeats C by 65:34

The Schwarz set contains A,B,C.  We drop the weakest defeat, which is
A>B by one vote because 33<34.

> Again, though A is CW, B wins by defection.

However this seems quite a risky strategy by the B voters.  The
situation seems contrived and unlikely to arise in practice.

Ian.


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