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Re: [all candidates] Removing or limiting DD rights?

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 01:35:59PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
> As such, there's an issue of "public perception" that may need
> consideration.
> I simultaneously acknowledge the problem of making a "DD expulsion
> list" public; that's not exactly the kind of "trophy" anyone would
> want to obtain.

I wholeheartedly agree with both your points here. Which, to me, is a
good indication that this is, in general, a complex problem :)

I think the actual expulsion should, generally, not be publicly
advertised; what I do want to be public is, in general, community
backlash when deplorable social behavior is exhibited in public fora.
Seeing that no one reacts to bad social behavior will give the distinct
impression that the *community* accepts that behavior which is, imho,
even worse than giving the impression that some authoritative "police"
turns a blind eye on it.

> I'm open to other theories as to the cause.  I am, however, a bit surprised 
> that you'd completely dismiss the theory I've proposed so quickly.
> let you know that I regularly bump into users in Debian IRC channels saying 
> things such as "I need to be involved in another bug report like I need a hole 
> in the head."  I take that as a clear signal that there's a problem.

Well, I certainly didn't mean to imply that bug report handling is not
something we should look into improving. It's the causation relationship
between that and the decreasing number of bug reports which seems
unlikely to me. I'll be totally happy to reconsider that and I'm
generally very open to reconsider my positions. But I do think that we
need some concrete, scientific evidence, to prove causation in this
case, and I've yet to see some of it.

> As always, I thank you for your comments.  :)

Ditto :-)

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