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Re: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members

Lars Wirzenius dijo [Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:41:24PM +0100]:
> > We are calling everyone "Debian Developer" (cf. the constitution). DCs
> > are a subset of DDs. We realize that we probably need a handy
> > expression for "DD with upload rights" [1], but we don't have one yet.
> > (Ideas?)
> Could we please instead not invent new names and call ourselves "DD with
> upload rights" and "DD without upload rights"? We already have a problem
> with terminology for various kinds of memberships. Let's not make it
> worse.

Heh, we are pulling in opposite directions, although I don't have any
deep committment for the ideas I just wrote. The reason I wrote that
is that, as we grew from something quite informal, we used very
generic naming schemes - and that leads to lack of clarity in the
concepts it defines. I believe that having clearer meanings for the
member, uh, levels will make it easier for an outsider to understand
what do we mean.

> > I do agree with the idea, but it opens up gray areas. There will be
> > DCs who maintain some (maybe documentation-only?) packages, and will
> > become DM for these. With the no-difference idea, it is unclear where
> > the line to "classic DD" is. And voila, you end up being a fully
> > uploading DD who has skipped T&S in the NM process.
> > 
> > It's probably possible to do, but it has to be well-thought. Making
> > T&S a formal (and technical) prerequisite to the "uploading" part cuts
> > a clear line.
> I re-iterate that I think the important distinction is one of trust. Not
> skills.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Still, when I passed T&S, and now
when I process my NMs' T&S, I learnt many important things I have
found useful and would not have come accross otherwise.

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