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Re: gr_lenny vs gr_socialcontract

On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Anthony Towns wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 08:12:28AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>> Putting an USB key into most of my servers requires some hours of
>> driving and jumping through security hoops to get datacenter access.
>> [...]
>> I'd prefer an OS which allows full remote installation that does not
>> need some kind of physical access.
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:50:40AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>         I suspect it would not be hard to create a non-free installer CD
>>  that obviates the requirement of a separate USB key for remote
>>  installs.
> So isn't this exactly why we have a voting system? Everyone understands
> both points of view here, don't they? We just need to choose which one
> Debian's going to adopt, because we haven't implemented a way of having
> our cake and eating it too on this score.


>>         I tend to come down hard on the side of not compromising my
>>  principles for temporary convenience or popularity (or, if you will,
>>  market share).
>>         To paraphrase: Those who give up essential freedoms for
>>  temporary convenience and popularity deserve neither.
> And, uh, isn't that a bit needlessly argumentative? Marc's not trying to
> get anyone to give up essential freedoms, or give them up himself.

        I did not mean this to be argumentative. A rhetorical flourish,
 yes.  The quote is from a US politicial, and the analogy between the
 constitutions and bill of rights was amusing.

        But I do think that the DFSG represents the essential freedoms
 for software, as defined by the Debian project. Shipping stuff that
 violates the DFSG is indeed giving up essential freedoms, in my view.

        Now, you might find my honestly and deeply held views to be off
 the wall enough to call mere statements of my beliefs needlessly
 argumentative, but then we have a failure in that we can't even discuss
 things rationally.

The average nutritional value of promises is roughly zero.
Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/>  
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