Re: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept (was: Call for seconds: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.)
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Charles Plessy wrote:
> This completely ignores that now there are other proposals, like the ones of
> Lars and Raphaël, and suggest that the only path we want to explore it the one
> drafed by Joerg.
Well. Joerg and Christoph (and maybe James*) are the delegated DAMs
under our constitution. As such defining membership and admitting new
members is their delegated duty and privilege.
So either we, the project, a) work with them and try to convince them of
the merits of alternate proposals, or b) we could force a system they
aren't convinced of upon them using a GR - probably not something that
will work very well in the long run, or c) we replace them or d) we do
away with the position entirely.
I think that we can have a fruitful discussion involving the DAM and
everybody who brings their bikeshed to the table if we just try and
don't start out with attributing malice, deceit or dishonesty to the
other party. We should instead conduct our exchange believing that
everybody involved is trying to further the project.**
I am grateful for your patch to paragraph three. It now says what I had
intended much more clearly. That we we are asking not only the DAM but
also the others who had similar prosoals: Bring your ideas to the
table and talk.
> The Debian Project recognizes that many contributors to the project are not
> working withing established frameworks of Debian and thus are not provided by
> the project with as much help as might be possible, useful or required, nor
> opportunities to join the project.
>
> We thank Joerg Jaspert for exploring ideas on how to involve contributors more
> closely with and within the project so that they can get both recognition and
> the necessary tools to do their work.
>
> We realize that the proposal posted to the debian-devel-announce mailinglist is
> not yet finalized and may not have the support of a large part of our
> community. We invite the DAM and all the contributors to further develop their
> ideas in close coordination with other members of the project, and to present a
> new and improved proposal on the project's mailinglists in the future.
>
> Significant changes should only be implemented after consensus within
> the project at large has been reached, or when decided by a general
> resolution.
For those watching at home, the difference may not be immediately
obvious. I have indicated the affected lines in this wdiff.
} The Debian Project recognizes that many contributors to the project are
} not working withing established frameworks of Debian and thus are not
} provided by the project with as much help as might be possible, useful
}* or [-required.-] {+required, nor opportunities to join the project.+}
}
} We thank Joerg Jaspert for exploring ideas on how to involve
}* contributors more closely with {+and within+} the project so that they can
} get both recognition and the necessary tools to do their work.
}
} We realize that the proposal posted to the debian-devel-announce
} mailinglist is not yet finalized and may not have the support of a large
}* part of our community. We invite the DAM {+and all the contributors+} to
}* further develop [-his-] {+their+} ideas in close coordination with other members of
} the project, and to present a new and improved proposal on the project's
} mailinglists in the future.
}
} Significant changes should only be implemented after consensus within
} the project at large has been reached, or when decided by a general
} resolution.
I like those changes. thanks.
--
weasel
* James apparently removed himself from all the mail aliases and groups
but didn't officially retire from his post as DAM, so who knows.
** And if you don't agree with somebody don't question their motive,
question their judgement instead if you really have to (***).
*** Or, put differently, they aren't mean, they are just stupid
(or just the other way around and it's your judgement that
should be revised :).
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