Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:12:52 +0200, Marc Haber <mh+debian-vote@zugschlus.de> said:
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 01:13:52PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> On Monday 14 April 2008 12:54, Alexander Schmehl wrote:
>> > Am 14.4.2008 schrieb "Adeodato Simó" <dato@net.com.org.es>:
>> > >* Jurij Smakov [Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:49:22 +0100]:
>> > > >I think that using official project announcements as a medium to
>> > > >express your personal opinions is highly inappropriate
>> > > I, too, think that the quoted sentence above from Manoj is just plain
>> > > inappropriate in a message sent with the Secreatary hat on.
>> > >I, too, think that the quoted sentence above from Manoj is just
>> > >plain inappropriate in a message sent with the Secreatary hat on.
>> > I agree on that.
>>
>> Another meme! Me too!
> Agreed.
Folks, opinion polls are well and good, but, unlike former
president Clinton, my actions and opinions are not poll driven. The
same principles as apply to rationale discourse rule here: If you want
to change my opinion or behaviour, you have to convince me as to why it
is inappropriate. No amount of other peoples unsubstantiated opinions
are going to make an iota if difference.
I do not consider that remark a mistake; I do not consider it
inappropriate, and I do not believe that officers are supposed to be
robotically bland even in their official comments. The comment was
made about a process that is directly related to the duties of the
office; it did not prejudice the current vote, and it reflects my
opinion on what I consider a regression in the voting process.
As to people getting offended by that, all I can say is "grow
up". As someone said in this thread, mistakes happen. If the mere
opinion that a decision the project took _could_ have been wrong
offends you, you need to come to terms with grown up life.
We made a change in a voting process to shorten what was a very
long procedure, and that seemed like a good idea at the time. But in
retrospect, I think it is a bad idea: a number of people have not
gotten around to making up their minds, and at least one person could
not even get the ballot in time to vote.
As it stands, even my opinion that the shortening of the voting
period affected turnout could be wrong: sheesh, it is just an
opinion. Arguably, there are other factors that could explain the
discrepancy; though joeyh's analysis (which is the way you convince
people, BTW) does not contradict my feelings.
Getting offended by dissent, even from people taking on
additional duties than the norm, ought to be something positive; not
something to be squashed. Bringing analogies of politicians does not
work: this is not politics; being a secretary means lots of thankless
work; and pays hardly anything at all. Anyway; the thing about public
opinion polls that reigns in politicians is that they are willing to
compromise their judgement because they want to keep their job, and
voters assure them of that. I have no desire to keep on doing
additional work if it means I have to pander to the latest opinion
poll.
Now, y'all can continue wasting people's time by conducting this
informal poll, or you can get of your collective butt and start a GR
to fire me, or you can take this off list. I suggest one of the later two
options. Most people, I suspect, are rapidly finding this topic getting
old.
manoj
--
People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war, or before an
election. Otto Von Bismarck
Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/>
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