On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 08:00:43PM +0000, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 06:48:56PM +0000, Anthony Towns wrote…
> > … quite a lot of things that I won't quote for brevity.
>
> I agree fully that a jetring-based (or anything alike) approach would
> be much appreciated. That would solve the fact that the debian-keyring
> package is horribly outdated and many more things. I agree that many
> things you describe in your structural changes _are_ appealing. I also
> believe that what you propose is quite right, and definitely the good
> way to do things.
>
> Though, you skip a tiny little detail: how do you will make this real?
> Not technically, I believe all those things you describe are technically
> trivial. I mean socially. We have the current issue that:
>
> 1. James doesn't feel he is a delegate, because he predates the
> constitution (it awfully sounds like a “the rules convenientely
> only apply to others” btw).
>
> 2. James doesn't trust Joerg, and I believe doesn't trust a lot of
> people to be up to the task, so he will likely reject many of the
> proposals that will be made to him about this issue.
>
> 3. We had a discussion at Debconf8 with James about NM, and he didn't
> thought he was doing a bad job, he doesn't _think_ he is a
> bottleneck. And at the time he was kind of right, only 2 NMs were
> waiting for him or sth like that, Joerg was the complete blocker
> (and it has been true until sth like 2 weeks ago or so), so he was
> rejecting the delays on the “over-administrative-thing” NM has
> become since he created the concept (at the time it was a
> James-phone-call-at-home, no surprise the current form is quite a
> shock to him), and on Joerg.
>
> Note that I believe this is unfair, Joerg and James have _both_
> been major blockers in the NM queue. And like always when 2 people
> are overloaded, they aren't at the same time, so it's likely that
> every NM has to wait on _both_. What I see is that each one is
> rejecting the issue on the other. And that nobody dares to tell
> this truth: none of them is up to the task 100% of the year. And
> we do need to accept new contributors on a regular basis.
>
> 4. At least the 3 last DPL, plus now sam tried to address that, and
> well, I'm not sure it's even moving in any direction right now.
5. James isn't following Debian as a Community for some years (I
mean, I don't know if he even _reads_ lists) and it's a big issue
for someone supposed to act as a DAM. the DAM is supposed to
_know_ DDs a bit. DAM is a bit Debian's Human Resources, and
James is all but a public figure nowadays.
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·O· Pierre Habouzit
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