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Re: Question to all candidates about stable point releases

On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 05:45:25PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 08:14:21AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> > > Uh, what the hell?
> > You have four people asking basically the same question, and you
> > wonder about this?
> Yes, because _all_ of them leap to the conclusion that I'm trying to delay
> something, when I'm not.

Because you are not communicating, and the impression that your
actions make are that you _are_ delaying.

> > > I sent the mail requesting input and advising the relevant teams of the
> > > changes on the 22nd of Feb to make sure that it _wouldn't_ delay the
> > > update that Joey had previously indicated would be coming at the end of
> > > Feb or early March.
> > Why did you decide not to give Joey the go-ahead for 3.1r2?
> Huh? I haven't decided anything. At present, as announced [0], we're
> about to flick the switch on the the mirror split, which is what's taking
> my focus.

Does this delay implementation of the point release?

> > > This is why I hate trying to talk about things on Debian lists, for
> > > reference.
> > For reference, Debian is a distributed project. Mailing lists are our
> > main means of communication. This discussion is far away from a flame
> > war and it would surely pass any sane code of conduct anybody could
> > impose on us without half of the project retiring.
> What discussion, exactly? There's a bunch of people telling me how I'm
> blocking the process and deliberately delaying point releases, Joey's
> demanding to be made an ftpmaster, and over what? A single mail that
> didn't get a reply until Joey followed up to it a month later?

Yes. People obviously consider this important.

> It's also why I don't think focussing on "reports" or "more communication"
> per se is worth the trouble: I've never once seen it resolve the
> underlying complaints.

Yes, the problem that we have with ftpmaster are not solved by better
communication. They can probably be mitigated, but frankly, I don't
see that there is any way to solve the ftpmaster issues with the
current cast of characters.


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