On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 05:14:53PM +0000, MJ Ray wrote: > Ben Burton <bab@debian.org> wrote: > > Immediate examples that come to mind include their detailed articles on > > the NM process, the new mentoring programme that they are developing and > > a growing collection of entry-level articles on packaging and bug > > squashing. > > Where are these articles posted? As a package sponsor, it could > be a useful resource for me and my maintainers. I didn't find > them anywhere obvious on http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ Take that up with d-www. > I didn't find "the new mentoring programme" either. I remember being > told some time ago that a mentor course would be announced, > but now you mention it, I don't recall ever seeing it. Oh my god, MJ Ray missed an announcement! Everyone, stop what you're doing, we need to announce something to MJ personally. > > As for their own processes, they use a public mailing list, > > a public IRC channel, post regular summaries of off-list activity and > > have regular online meetings whose minutes are publicly posted. Their > > goals and guidelines are publicly available on their website. Doesn't > > entirely smack of secrecy to me. > > Both their list and IRC judge you and if they consider you a > "troll" then there is a secret silence against you (again The sky is falling! A community has standards and is enforcing them! > endorsed in the last IRC meeting, it seems). You don't have > to fight flamewars with your critics, but you should respond > to them, even if only dismissively. Hell, the effort I've put No, that's the benefit of free speech -- you're free to not speak, as well. You're just annoyed because nobody bit at some piece of flamebait you threw out. > in to trying to persuade debian-women should suggest I'm not > just trolling. If anything, it's debian-women who are carrying > out classic troll "asymmetric infowar" on the rest of debian > with their "ignore those who don't agree" approach. WTF? Choosing to not talk to someone is trolling now? I don't know about you, but it's been a while since I've been fishing where the fish have just jumped into the boat without any prompting. > Notice that most of the points under how to avoid being sexist > haven't actually been done yet. There are members of single-sex > linuxchix chapters active in the subproject too. While it's Guilt by (tenuous) association. There's a Debian developer with white supremacist tendencies, too, does that make us all nazis? - Matt
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