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Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 09:02:41PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:04:36 -0500 (EST), Jaldhar H Vyas <jaldhar@debian.org> said: 
> >> > I have never had a hostile experience with debian, but I still
> >> > feel really unconfident when I interact with the debian
> >> > community, even if it's only posting a bug report.  I don't
> >> > understand why this is so, but it's very real.  Partly it's
> >> > knowing that I'm going to be dealing with a man (almost
> >> > certainly), and he may assume I don't know what I'm doing, and he
> >> > may put me down or be condescending or unkind as a result.
> >>
> > Helen I hope you don't take this the wrong way but the problem isn't
> > that you're a woman or nearly all Debian developers are male.  The
> > problem is you are a flake.  (No that wasn't an attempt to put you
> > down or be unkind.  It's simply the most accurate word I can think
> > of.  If anyone knows a proper psychological term for what I'm
> > describing I'll use that.)  Vague fears of persecution are a sign of
> > mental instability which can't be fixed by an operating system free
> > or otherwise.
> 	Heh. Seems tome that you are merely displaying your
>  inexperience and ignorance (No that wasn't an attempt to put you
>  down or be unkind -- there is no shame in not knowing stuff yet).
> 	What Helen mentions is not a feeling that is an isolated case,
>  and felt just by her. This is a wide spread phenomena. My wife has a
>  Ph.D., and is widely published, and has landed two tenure track jobs
>  (which, in biology, is quite a feat). And yet, she says she still has
>  to struggle with exactly the same feelings that Helen describes. It
>  is not inexperience, and it seems unrelated to the skill set.
> 	My wife also has been involved in Women in Science groups on
>  three separate campuses across the country, and stories and
>  experiences like this abound. Another facet is the this is the
>  absolute denial by the their male colleagues that any such feelings
>  could ever exist, which I think is horribly short sighted behaviour
>  for these guys -- considering that they are not women.

<dark> "hysterical" is actually an interesting word, it basically
       means "having a womb".  Psychologists once thought it was something
       women did naturally.

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