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Re: Statistics on non-free usage

On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 10:18:06AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > Not to mention the fact that the last video card to have free 3D support
> > > was the Radeon 8500/9000/9100/9200, and that we are pretty unlikely to
> > > get anything else in the near future. And both ATI and Nvidia don't
> > > provide anything else than x86 executables.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
> > Depends on what you mean by "near future".
> > 
> > Take a look at point 267 at
> > http://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/develsnaps/changelog-
> > 
> > How near that is depends on how many of Branden's changes will be included
> > in the 4.4 release, and of course when 4.4 itself is released.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:13:14PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> Well, i am also an, altough not very active lately, XFree86 upstream,
> and i have been in contact with ATI professionally to try to get specs
> for a closed source ppc OS 3D drivers for the R300 family of cards, so
> i know what i speak from. I don't see what you mean by quoting the above
> changelog, please be a bit more specific.

I've seen open offers of help from ATI to anyone writing Xfree86 drivers.

But let's take this to private email.  [I'm writing you a separate
message with the details.]

> > [Also, ATI provides source.  That source isn't redistributable, and
> > comes in an rpm package, and might have x86 dependencies, but it's
> > source nonetheless.]
> Are those more than just a wrapper stuff around a bunch of binary-only
> drivers like the nvidia ones ?


They provide precompiled binaries for that source [modules for certain
prebuilt kernels], but the source itself seems to be complete.

> Well at least they are based on the XFree86 accel architecture and DRI,
> unlike Nvidia, but i doubt there is interest on ATIs side to free this
> source code.

If they bought part of it from someone else, they might not have that
as an option -- at least not one they can afford.


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