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Re: GR: Removal of non-free (with explanation)

On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 03:13:56PM +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 12:12:18AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 10:01:47PM +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > >  The next release of Debian will not be accompanied by a non-free
> > >  section; there will be no more stable releases of the non-free
> > >  section. The Debian project will cease active support of the
> > >  non-free section. Clause 5 of the social contract is repealed.
> > I remain concerned that this appears to make contrib violate the social
> > contract, but doesn't explicitly authorise its removal. If the social
> > contract is to be changed, it's best to make it clear what's going on,
> > so we don't have to make confusing semantic distinctions like we do at
> > the moment.
> I don't see why the same excuse that has always justified contrib will
> not continue to work ("not part of Debian").

It doesn't work now. It's confusing, and a waste of time having to keep
"clarifying" the issue. And it gets worse, since you our support for
contrib becomes entirely unjustified, since you can't just say "oh,
you have to read SC1 in the context of SC5".

> > > I anticipate that if this resolution passes, people will formulate
> > > timetables and transition plans as appropriate;
> > If it passes, non-free will be dropped, and the social contract will
> > be amended. It might not happen within ten seconds, or even a week,
> > but I wouldn't expect it to be delayed in time for transition plans to
> > be developed, or new archives to be setup.
> Sure, that could happen, but it's also possible that packages could be
> removed from main abruptly and without any of these things. The GR
> does not require this to happen, so you can blame the people
> responsible if it happens and you don't like it, just like for
> anything else.

If it happens, and you don't like it, you can blame yourself for not making
what you want clear before passing the GR. *shrug*


Anthony Towns <aj@humbug.org.au> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/>
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               Linux.conf.au 2004 -- Because we can.
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