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Re: GRs, irrelevant amendments, and insincere voting

On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 03:42:23 -0500, Branden Robinson <branden@debian.org> said: 

> On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 10:27:47PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:09:40 -0500, Branden Robinson
>> <branden@debian.org> said:
>> > This requires either the original proposer, or a group of 6
>> > people, who support taking the original proposal and tacking this
>> > irrelevant rider onto it.
>> It also assumes that we have people not being team players.

> Isn't this a resonable assumption, given the frequency with which
> you accuse me (for example) of all sorts of moral failings and bad
> behavior?

>> Also, since there is obviously an error in procedure (since these
>> need to be separate votes, with separate discussion periods, and
>> separate voting periods, the secretary can step in and correct the
>> procedure.

> On what (constitutional) grounds?

 However, the final decision on the form of ballot(s) is the
 Secretary's - see 7.1(1), 7.1(3) and A.3(4).

 In cases of doubt the Project Secretary shall decide on matters of

>> > I won't say that we face a combinatorial explosion of irrelevant
>> > ballot options, because each one will have to have 6 sponsors and
>> > that will serve as a brake on *that* variety of abuse.  But my
>> > thesis is that even one irrelevant option on the ballot is enough
>> > to either defeat the relevant option that would otherwise win, or
>> > promote the phenomenon of insincere voting.
>> It is also a procedural flaw.  And the constitution has a fix for
>> matters of procedure.

> Well, yes, we can amend it.  Or did you have something else in mind?

	See above.

If we all work together, we can totally disrupt the system.
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