Re: Dec 15 voting amendment draft
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 02:12:31PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Under 4.2 Procedure [for developers during a general resolution or
> election], change item 3 to read:
> 3. Votes are taken by the Project Secretary. Votes and tallies results
"Votes and results are not revealed..." ? It's not clear what "tallies"
> Under 5.2 Appointment of project leader, change item 7 to read:
> 7. The decision will be made using A.6 of the Standard Resolution
"using the method specified in section A.6"
> The quorum is the same as for a General Resolution
> (s.4.2) except the default option is None Of The Above.
> Under 6.1 Powers [of the technical committee], change item 7 to read:
> 7. [...] The result is
> determined using A.6 of the Standard Resolution Procedure.
> Under A.2 Calling for a vote, change item 2 to read
> 2. The proposer or a sponsor of a motion may call for a vote on a
> set of related amendments.
"The proposer or any sponsor of a resolution may call for a vote on that
resolution and all related amendments."
> Replace A.3 with:
> A.3. Voting procedure
> 1. Each independent set of related amendments is voted on in a
> separate ballot. Each such ballot has as options all the sensible
> combinations of amendments and options from that set, and a default
> option. If the default option wins then the entire resolution
> procedure is set back to the start of the discussion period.
I think it's a mistake to keep that; exactly how to separate independent
but related options is a job for the proposers of the resolution and its
amendment, not the secretary.
"Each resolution and its related amendments is voted on in a single
ballot, that includes an option for the original resolution, each
amendment, and, where applicable, the default option."
> 3. The vote taker (if there is one) or the voters (if voting is done
> by public pronouncement) may arrange for independent ballots
> to be held simultaneously, even (for example) using a single
> voting message.
So this could die.
> 4. Votes may be cast during the voting period, as specified elsewhere.
> If the voting period can end if the outcome is no longer in
> doubt, the possibility that voters may change their votes is
> not considered.
(This duplicates the text you've already had above)
> 5. The votes are counted according to the the rules in A.6 If a
> quorum is required then the default option is Further Discussion.
"...otherwise there is no default option."
> 6. In cases of doubt the Project Secretary shall decide on matters
> of procedure (for example, whether particular amendments should
> be considered independent or not).
This could die too.
> Replace A.6 with:
> A.6 Vote Counting
> 1. Each voter's ballot ranks the options being voted on. Not all
> options need be ranked. Ranked options are considered preferred
> to all unranked options. Voters may rank options equally.
> Unranked options are considered to be ranked equally with one
> another, and below any explicitly ranked options. The other
> details of how ballots may be filled out will be included in
> the Call For Votes.
One of "and below any explicitly ranked options" and "Ranked options
are considered preferred to all unranked uptions" can be dropped.
I'd drop "The other" -- all the details of how ballots should be filled
out should be included in the CFV.
> 2. If the ballot has a quorum requirement (Q) any options other
> than the default option which do not receive at least Q votes
> ranking that option above the default option are dropped from
> 3. Any option which does not defeat the default option by its
> required majority ratio is dropped from consideration.
> a. An option A defeats an option B if N(A,B)*V(A,B) is larger
> than N(B,A)*V(B,A) and if the (A,B) defeat has not been
> b. Given two options A and B, V(A,B) is the number of voters
> who prefer option A over option B.
> c. If a majority of n:1 is required for A, and B is the default
> option, N(B,A) is n. In all other cases, N(B,A) is 1.
A simpler way of saying the same thing:
3. Any (non-default) option which does not defeat the default option
by its required majority ratio is dropped from consideration.
a. Given two options A and B, V(A,B) is the number of voters
who prefer option A over option B.
b. An option, A, defeats the default option, D, by a ratio, N,
if V(A,D) is strictly greater than N * V(D,A).
c. If a supermajority of S:1 is required for A, it's majority ratio
is S, otherwise it's majority ratio is 1.
(note that the default option is thus defeated by all the remaining
undropped options; and will thus lose if there are any such options)
> 4. We construct the Schwartz set based on undropped options and
> a. An option A is in the Schwartz set if for all options B,
> either A transitively defeats B, or B does not transitively
> defeat A.
> b. An option A transitively defeats an option C if A defeats
> C or if there is some other option B where A defeats B
> AND B transitively defeats C.
c. An option A defeats an option B, if V(A,B) is strictly
greater than V(B,A).
(Which is the usual, and uncomplicated, definition of the term)
> 5. If there are defeats between options in the Schwartz set, we
> drop the weakest such defeats, and return to step 4.
> a. A defeat (A,X) is weaker than a defeat (B,Y) if V(A,X)
> is less than V(B,Y). Also, (A,X) is weaker than (B,Y)
> if V(A,X) is equal to V(B,Y) and V(X,A) is greater than
> b. A weakest defeat is a defeat that has no other defeat
> weaker than it. There may be more than one such defeat.
> 6. If there are no defeats within the Schwartz set, then the winner
> is chosen from the options in the Schwartz set. If there is
> only one such option, it is the winner. If there are multiple
> options, the elector with a casting vote chooses which of those
> options wins. If there are no options in the Schwartz set,
> the default option wins.
Keeping the default option around, lets us kill the last sentence's
special case, too.
> "RATIONALE": Options which the voters rank above the default option
> are options they find acceptable. Options ranked below the default
> options are options they find unacceptable.
s/"RATIONAL"/Interpretation/ or something.
I don't think any of the above are hugely significant quibbles.
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