Re: [deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]
On Fri, Sep 5, 2025 at 7:38 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
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> On Wednesday, September 3rd, 2025 at 6:21 AM, Lee wrote:
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> > On Mon, Sep 1, 2025 at 7:41 PM David Wright wrote:
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> > > My posts are being dropped between my hosting's smarthost and debian-user.
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> > this one at least made it to my inbox
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> > > ----- Forwarded message from David Wright deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk -----
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> > > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:39:43 -0500
> > > From: David Wright
> > > Subject: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments
> > > Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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> > > On Sun 31 Aug 2025 at 17:08:47 (-0400), Lee wrote:
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> > > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 3:15 PM Andy Smith wrote:
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> > > > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 04:24:59PM +0000, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
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> > > > > > You mean Debian doesn't inform you if your OS needs an update?
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> > > > > It is dependent on the desktop chosen. GNOME by default downloads
> > > > > updates, and notifies you of them with a desktop notification.
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> > > > > The package "apticron" for email notifications has also existed in
> > > > > Debian for a decade or more though people still seem to enjoy
> > > > > reinventing it on their own.
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> > > > Or perhaps it's that an email notification is useless for us and we
> > > > want a notification that will actually be noticed.
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> > > In my case it's that I want the packages downloaded at the same time.
> > > And I think I've been doing that for longer than apticron has been
> > > around—I see in my sent-mail folder a 2003 post to a LUG, exhorting
> > > someone to put:
> > > apt-get -qq update && apt-get -dqq dist-upgrade && apt-get -sqq upgrade
> > > into their crontab, or perhaps their /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ (which seems
> > > concordant with the age of the post).
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> > > Nowadays my root crontabs have:
> > > apt-get -qq -o Acquire::http::Proxy="http://192.168.1.14:3142/"; update && apt-get -qq -d -o Acquire::http::Proxy="http://192.168.1.14:3142/"; dist-upgrade && find /var/cache/apt/archives/ -name '*deb'
> > > I occasionally find it useful to take a look inside new packages'
> > > /usr/share/doc/ files to see what's changed.
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> > but doesn't dist-upgrade apply the updates?
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> > I just want to be notified about any updates that are available. I
> > don't want them being applied until after I review them.
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> Wouldn't it be very time consuming to review every single update before applying them?
My "review" is very cursory - it's not like I'm reviewing source code
changes. Mostly I wait a few days, looking for warning - for example:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2025/09/msg00108.html
I'm coming from a cygwin + windows background where their track record
of not breaking things with their updates is .. uhmm.. so much less
than perfect that it's a really good idea to wait a bit before
applying the latest updates.
Regards,
Lee
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