Re: Xorg fails, no gui: systemd issue?
On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 3:01 AM Andrew M.A. Cater <amacater@einval.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 06:13:59PM +0000, John - wrote:
> > Since I last (3 December) upgraded the software (sid) on my old Thinkpad, my gui fails to come up. The last line of /var/log/Xorg.0.log reads:
> > (EE) systemd-login: failed to take device /dev/dri/card0: Message recipient disconnected from message bus without replying
> > I've been trying for weeks to fix it, including tracking down all suggests from googling the error message, without success. Can anyone help me figure out what the problem is?
> > Thanks.
> >
>
> Hi John,
>
> Today is the 8th of December - strictly, that's barely a business week.
>
> Debian expressly comes with no guarantees. You are running sid a.k.a
> unstable - that comes with still fewer guarantees other than breakage
> from time to time.
I find this quite rude. Nothing in OPs post suggests that he demands
or expects any help, yet you're quick to point out there are no
guarantees. So? Who asked about guarantees?
> You are expected to be able to fix breakage in sid
> yourself or you get to keep both pieces :)
>
> You may find that the issue has been fixed if you update today: you may not.
> There's not much there in logs to help any of the rest of us who don't
> habitually run sid.
Aren't you even allowed to ask for help if you run sid? Where else to
ask other debian users for pointers than the debian user list? Is
there a specific list for sid users only?
> This is explicitly *not* a sarcastic suggestion: if you can't run sid,
> then I would suggest you reformat your disks and install Debian stable.
> Most of the people either active on this list or lurking and reading on
> the sidelines run Debian stable for a reason.
It does not come of as sarcastic, just condescending, as if OP does
not already know what sid is.
> If you are a Debian maintainer, you are expected to build new software in
> unstable for it to propagate to testing and (eventually) to the next Debian
> major release. Outside that, unless you are actively interested in testing
> and fixing breakage as it occurs, there is little justification for running
> sid as a daily operating system.
>
> Sid is explicitly *not* a chance to run the latest, greatest bleeding edge
> software reliably on a sustained basis without the occasional crash or
> significant problems.
Again, OP never claimed anything different. Something broke, as
expected. OP asks for help trying to fix it. Can't you simply let
people who want to help answer? If no one knows, then fine, OP is on
his own.
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