Re: time question, as in ntp?
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 07:30:35AM +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 10:24:35PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>
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Gene,
Please do us *all* a favour to try and help you.
Write us out a list of all your machines - and if a printer has an
embedded SBC, it's a machine in this context - and the OS and versions
they are running.
List the functions you want each to have.
As others have noted, it's REALLY hard to work out what you're doing.
If machines and printers expect DHCP, then you're going to have to
amend files. Do back up the files you change.
> 1. There is nothing in Debian that ever overwrites the
> /etc/network/interfaces file. But you aren't running Debian on
> this machine, so we are all having difficulty helping you.
> Because this is DEBIAN-user.
>
As ever, our collective expertise here is primarily Debian - we have no
clue what a derived distribution may or may not do.
> 2. All you've described is a line in a file which says, "Network is
> managed by NetworkManager". There is NO indication WHICH piece of
> software put that line there, it really could be anything.
> Because you aren't running Debian. Since NetworkManager can be
> set up to run arbitrary commands, it certainly COULD be YOUR
> setup of NetworkManager. Or something else entirely different.
> It's nothing in Debian, though.
>
> > > Then you are incompatible with software you are trying to run. Your
> > > options:
> > > - do not allow scripts coming with klipper or its installer to touch
> > > network configuration
> > > - setup a DHCP server in your network and provide to 3d wizards
> > > environment they expect.
> > >
"Su and say" is not great: running third party scripts on non-Debian systems
and you get to keep both pieces unless you undersand what kiauh and Klipper
are doing, be careful.
> > Again, Max, its your way or the hiway. I'd be willing to guess that my
> > network experience goes back at least a decade before your first class in cs
> > 101. /etc/hosts files worked in 1990 then as now, we just have to get the
> > dhcp crap out of the way. And you and your insistence on using dhcp which
> > has never given me a stable address are definitely NOT helping.
>
> This like some sort of farce.
>
> You have an operating system hard-coded to use DHCP, but you won't
> use DHCP, so it doesn't work. You can't work out how to make it not
> want DHCP; you won't ask the people who made it how; instead you ask
> us completely uninvolved folks how to do it. When we tell you to
> configure it for static networking you say you can't because it
> wants DHCP. When we say use DHCP then, you say, "oh I see it's your
> way or the hiway, I'll have you know I was crafting IP packets from
> raw bean sprouts before you kids ever drew breath!"
>
> So would I be correct in saying that you want US to work out how to
> do this thing in software we don't use and that's off-topic here,
> and that's the only answer you'll accept?
>
> Or have I misunderstood and there is some other direction you would
> like to go with this?
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
It does seem to be a problem on this list that we can't always get
clear explanations of what has *actually* been done.
Andy
>
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