On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 06:03:02PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 7/26/23 16:42, Michel Verdier wrote: > > On 2023-07-26, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > > > So where are syslog and dmesg? > > > > I take it you didn't bother to read §5.1.7 of the bookworm Release Notes. > > > > > > Not yet David. [...] > > > > §5.1.7 indicates syslog (rsyslog) is not installed and is replaced by > > journald (from systemd). You still can install rsyslog and > > configure rsyslog/journald to get what you want where you want > > > All the files in /var/log/journal/big hash subdir/* are digital trash, > mostly $00 > and worthless for any human troubleshooting. What is the big secret all > about? Gene, this makes me furious. Really. Either you're lazy, don't read docs and go with the default install -- and take what you get, or you tinker, understand a bit of what you are doing and beat the system into the shape you need/want/like it. Defaults are bound to change from time to time, due to available free programs, user base, maintainer community, yadda, yadda. C'm on, you are a technician, you should know about such tradeoffs. So going the lazy route /and/ publically ranting isn't helpful. I dislike the whole systemd environment myself. Know what? My init is SysV, my logs are clear text, all of that. With Debian Bullseye. But it ain't the default, so it takes some reading, tinkering and asking around. I thank Debian and the maintainers every day for making that possible!. There are no secrets. Just engineering. Cheers -- t
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