On Sat, Apr 09, 2022 at 12:47:09PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sat 09 Apr 2022 at 08:33:31 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 08, 2022 at 08:52:26PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > You didn't like my bus analogy, did you? > > > > I did like it. Nevertheless, I thought something's missing: > > In general, analogies don't really work, do they? In a former life, I used to be physicist. We actually thrive from analogies :) [...] > Setting up a queue in some circumstances may require knowledge of > an IP address. Printing to it doesn't. The wrong path was taken. That's, strictly speaking, right; in the OP's case, it'd been helpful to finding the printed rag, though. > > In the bus's case, perhaps there is a big sign on the parking lot > > "NEUF-BRISACH". There, that's your IP address. > > > > Back to the printers, I'm horrified at the idea that CUPS doesn't > > tell you the IP address it thinks the printer is at. It's what > > I call "authoritarian software", where the software thinks it's > > smarter than me. Don't get me wrong, I like comfort like the next > > guy, but I don't like being treated like an idiot. > > What is important for printing is the queue name (the destination) > an the URI. Cups will take care of all the nitty-gritty in getting > the job to the printer. A card with the queue name would have saved > much head scratching. That didn't help the OP. To back out from analogy land, a piece of software which makes available to me as much info as it can has more of my sympathy. Doing it in a well-structured and discoverable way gets it 100+ points of sympathy. I appreciate the designer's hard work in this. > > > Look: if some programmer gal thinks she's smarter than me, I go > > "arrogant gal, but who knows, probably she's right". But if a > > piece of software does that, I tend to kick it out of my box. > > My box, my rules :) > > > > And yes: no CUPS (no Avahi either) on my box :-) > > Avahi is not mandatory for printing. However, it does benefit many > users. I know, I know. Before kicking out Avahi I looked into what it does. It was a voluntary decision, which most definitely isn't right for everyone. > Plug in a mouse. It wors straightaway. Nobody gives it a secomd > thought. Nowadays, plug in a modern printer to USB and, with Avahi, > it is immediately available for printing. What is there to dislike? > People have been asking for this level of operation for years. Overgeneralisation works even less than analogies :) Cheers -- t
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