Chuck Zmudzinski <brchuckz@netscape.net> wrote on 28/09/2021 at 13:10:08+0200: > On 9/27/2021 9:18 PM, Borden wrote: >> I sympathise with your frustrations. >> >> The open source "community" - especially Debian - is not known for >> its civility. There have been numerous articles (and backlashes) >> identifying the rampant misogyny, racism, arrogance, murder and >> general rudeness amongst its members and leaders. If you're >> expecting a well-governed organisation with a robust, even-handed >> and consistent method for handling problems, your princess is in >> another castle. >> >> Unfortunately, the old economic principle "You get what you pay for" >> applies. People who are good at what they do charge good rates and >> are in too high demand to deal with us plebs for free. As in any >> volunteer organisation, positions attract people with way too much >> free time and whose opinions of themselves (including their legal >> scholarship) exceeds their abilities. It's pretty tribal. >> >> I'm speaking very broadly here and not in reference to anybody in particular, but I have numerous incidents from the past 20 years in mind. >> >> Many newcomers to open source are encouraged to read Eric Raymond's >> "How to ask questions the smart way" which is a rambling manifesto >> that establishes the caste system of project managers at the top and >> newcomers at the bottom. Contributors are to be worshipped as gods, >> and we must be grateful to them when they down from Nirvana to >> educate us. > > As the original poster, I can say this hits the nail on the head. Most > definitely, Andy Smith and others claim a right to call newcomers like > me a laughingstock, damned, etc., on the basis of their supposed > god-like status. The fact is, I solved my bug (#994899) and wanted to > help the Debian project out. And as thanks I get called a > laughingstock and that I would be "damning" myself further if I didn't > stop my alleged "overreaction." By overreaction, he clearly means I > refused to worship him and his ilk as the gods they think they are, > even claiming the power and right to damn newcomers at will. Yet they > are the ones unable to solve their bug (#991967). And they are the > gods to be worshiped? Ha ha! I wouldn't pay any of them a dime to try > to squash a software bug. I will just fix it myself. Debian is closing > in on a million bugs. That's a lot, it takes about 97 new bugs per day > over the 28-year life-span of the project to get to a number that > high. And that is only the ones that are reported. I have seen many > bugs in free software that I did not bother to report, and I am sure > many others have as well. > > I am inclined to say that if the truth be told, the only bugs that > matter are the ones that Google, Amazon, Microsoft, IBM, etc. want to > get solved. I see many bugs are marked as patch available, yet the > patch is never applied. My bug is marked as patch available. But I am > not Google or Amazon. So I doubt my patch for my bug will ever make it > into the distribution. Apparently I have committed the deadly sin of > questioning the gods. If Debian wants to prove me wrong, then Debian > should accept my patch into the distribution, or at least consider it > and have the courtesy to tell me why they can't or won't accept the > patch. If they do work with me to get a fix into the Debian software > for my bug, then I will retract my statement that I believe only the > bugs that are important to Debian are the ones giant multinational > corporations want a fix for. Or, think of it this way. Maybe the big > software companies plant bugs on purpose in free software (or worse, > malware, ransomware, etc.) so most people have no choice but to pay > them for their commercial products and security solutions, and it is > not good for their bottom line if too many people can get a secure, > bug-free product for free. Again, if Debian accepts my patch for my > bug, then I would stand corrected. Hi Chuck, You really should consider stopping to reply and leave things as they are. Regards, -- PEB
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