Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:31:33 +0200
Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu> wrote:
> Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 16:09:50 CEST Celejar a écrit :
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:08:53 +0300
> >
> > Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:01:58AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > > > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in -
> > > > > non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonable to stay away from
> > > > > them
> > > > > regardless of whom is controlling them.
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean by calling them non-gratis services? I know that
> > > > some
> > > > of their services are non-gratis, but basic code hosting certainly
> > > > is
> > > > gratis.
> > >
> > > You do not pay for these services, yet they provide them to you and
> > > everyone else (with certain exclusions).
> > > Guess who is the product here? The answer is - you are the product.
> > > Payment involving money is not the only kind of payment that you can
> > > make today.
> >
> > I think that's an unreasonable definition of gratis and non-gratis. If
> > a FLOSS dev gets an ego boost, or even some sort of spiritual
> > satisfaction, from people using his software, does that mean it's
> > non-gratis?
>
> An ego-boost doesn’t grant power, that is, possibility of action of your
> will on the actions of others.
Payment is not the same thing as power.
> But github as a platform provides a great deal of power to microsoft.
> They litterally own your data. Maybe not your programs, but maybe all
> your metadata + what was listed later (bugreports, etc.).
As does Signal, etc.
> The mail you answer to sadly didn’t explain concretely what is the
> payement, and how you can make money from it. The answer is: selling
> personal data. Both what you output, what comes from you, and what is
> inputted to you, what to see. Knowing what you say, what you see, what
> you like to see, and deciding it sells very profitably nowadays, agueably
> more than oil.
Celejar
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