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Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 04:25:41PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Joe (joe@jretrading.com):
> > On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 21:11:06 +0100
> > Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > As opposed to problems in a fortnight?  If you change all of them,
> > > you will have a whirlwind as soon as Jessie becomes Stable.  If I
> > > were in your shoes, I would change the one reference to testing to
> > > Jessie.  Track Jessie into next month and change all references to
> > > Jessie to testing or Stretch then, when things have calmed down a
> > > little.
> > > 
> > > > Running `aptitude update' with the changes in place does not produce
> > > > any output that looks problematice (to me).  But maybe that is not a
> > > > thorough test?
> > > 
> > > It's no test at all.  At the moment testing and Jessie are the same
> > > thing. 
> > > 
> > > But it will be awful the day that Jessie goes Stable because
> > > everything will immediately update willy-nilly and out of your
> > > control, all at once, to Stretch (which will be the new testing).
> > > 
> > > I really should wait a few days if I were you.  If I were me I would
> > > wait at least a month!  
> > > 
> > 
> > However long the wait, the result will be the same. In fact, the longer
> > the wait, the more upgrades there will be in one go.
> This may be true, but there's a difference. If you wait a few months
> in jessie before moving to stretch, a lot more people will have tried
> the latter and discussed, maybe fixed, the bugs that crop up.

Just a thought: What do you think people have been doing for the last
five months?

Jessie froze on the 5th of November 2014. At that point, the idea of the
released software is clearly defined. The only changes allowed after a
freeze (as per the Freeze Policy) are: fixes for critical *bugs*, fixes
for important *bugs* (and then, only until 5th December), translation
updates and pre-approved fixes (until the 5th January).

I've highlighted those changes which are driven by bugs. Now, the main
way to find bugs is for people to TEST the operating system. That means
installing it, using it, adapting it to their needs, updating the
applications or services which they run atop debian and so on. If
everyone followed your advice, Jessie would sit on a shelf for five
months then someone would come along and say "Yes, this has ripened long
enough" and then it'd be marked as "stable" and people would say "Why
didn't you spot this glaring bug?"

On the day of release, Debian is saying "This set of packages, at these
versions, have been tested, approved and we believe they are good enough
for *everyone* to use". If you don't trust that, then why are you using
Debian in the first place?

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