Re: End of hypocrisy ?
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 11:17:02PM CEST, Tom H <tomh0665@gmail.com> said:
>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com> wrote:
>>> Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's what I meant, sysvinit is not broken.
>>>
>>> I rather agree. But the opponents cite corner cases where the
>>> previous security model doesn't handle every possible access case.
>>>
>>> I always hate it when people say such vague statements such as
>>> "modern" or "is broken" without actually saying why it is one way or
>>> the other. After reading months of arguments these next two postings
>>> were the first real postings I had read with any detail in them.
>>> Especially the second one.
>>>
>>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/06/msg00455.html
>>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/06/msg00461.html
>>>
>>> These are things that probably 99.44%[1] of the population hasn't ever
>>> needed before. The 99% where everything works for us are all of us
>>> crying about the disruption. But for that 0.56% that worried about
>>> those corner cases they see the old system as really broken. They are
>>> probably right that it is broken for them. But there are better ways
>>> to go about improving the system than the unpleasant way that systemd
>>> has been rolled out to the community.
>>
>> Didn't all DEs use consolekit and policykit? IIRC wasn't the CTTE bug
>> filed because of a debian-devel@ thread about Gnome depending on
>> systemd (because of logind and/or libpam-systemd)?
>>
>> The problem's that consolekit is abandonware upstream, logind is its
>> replacement, policykit removed consolekit support, and logind requires
>> systemd as pid 1 (or systemd-shim).
>
> logind requires pam-systemd which as of today version in testing requires systemd-sysv
>
> systemd-shim today is NOT an option. No more. It was *remived* from
> the dependencies. And completeley removed,the dependency is not on a
> version ot yet in testing. For me that means that systemd developper
> want to remove it.
There have been multiple posts on this list about the fact that the
systemd-shim "||" dependency would be restored once cgmanager had been
uploaded. it's done and we're now waiting for the systemd maintainers
to change the dependencies:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/msg00037.html
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