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Re: Why focus on systemd?

Scott Ferguson <scott.ferguson.debian.user@gmail.com> writes:

> On 29 November 2014 at 07:05, lee <lee@yagibdah.de> wrote:
>> Scott Ferguson <scott.ferguson.debian.user@gmail.com> writes:
> <snipped>
>>> On 22/11/14 20:50, lee wrote:
>>>> Didier,
>>>> you have *totally* missed the OPs point.
>>>> BTW, since you assume that no "systemd takeover"
>>> Hyperbole much?
>> ?
> "the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device"

What you consider exaggerated and what not is your opinion.

>>>> what has been the outcome of the GR to support multiple
>>>> init systems?
>>> It lost. Developers are not being forced to do what they don't want.
>>> The winner was "developers will work it out themselves" i.e. Debian won.
>> Huh?  Does that mean that the users are left to deal themselves with the
>> problems that could arise from this?
>>>> Other than that, the OP has a good point.  I found that every time
>>>> something is related to the freedesktop stuff,
>>> Freedesktop just provides hosting. Substitute Sourceforge for
>>> Freedesktop and see how well your "theory" flies.
>> "freedesktop.org is open source / open discussion software projects
>> working on interoperability and shared technology for X Window System
>> desktops. The most famous X desktops are GNOME and KDE, but developers
>> working on any Linux/UNIX GUI technology are welcome to participate."[1]
> How does that demonstrate that the systemd project is not "hosted" by
> freedesktop.org?

Why would that be relevant?

> Did your lips get sore or did you not quote the very next paragraph
> for other reasons?


> <quote>
> Software
> freedesktop.org hosts any "on-topic" software projects</quote>
>> [1]: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/
>>>>  it's not understandable
>>>> at all because the documentation utterly sucks or doesn't even exist.
>>>> It's an entirely dead end.
>>>> Do we really need or want that?  If we need it, what for?  If we want
>>>> it, wouldn't we be much better off using Windows?
>>> Please replace "we" with "I" - it gives the misleading impression you
>>> speak for the vast majority when you only speak for yourself.
>> Please learn to read and to understand what you're reading, and you may
>> find that I was asking questions.
> You could learn a lot about yourself by eating your own dog food.
>> To draw a map for you, try replacing
>> "we" with "users".
> Save your crayons. I'm a Debian user. I "wouldn't be better off using
> Windows". You speak only for your self, not "everybody" (or even a
> significant majority) and it would be presumptuous to believe
> otherwise don't you think?

Then why are you so persistently trying to say that I would be speaking
for anyone?

>>> Note that opposition to *the choice* of using systemd 'probably'
>>> constitutes less than 1% of users. Noise, repetition, and FUD doesn't:-
>>> ;increase that percentage
>>> ;give you credibility
>>> ;justify your bullying
>>> and works against those that have genuine problems with systemd.
>> And why do you mention this here?
> To provide constructive advice on "how to get along with a
> *community*. Not in the expectation that everyone cares. "Community"
> includes all sorts, including minorities that many don't want to
> embrace.

And what's your point?

> <snipped>
>>> The appropriate, polite way to deal with things you don't like - is
>>> speak *once* and state your case fully when you do. It's healthy to
>>> express concerns - it's unhealthy, to all, when you flood forums with
>>> them. The means justifies the ends - and bullying doesn't end well.
> <snipped example of how not to act>

Whatever ...  You should have snipped your own posts to begin with.

Anyway, you didn't contribute anthing to what the OP said, and I don't
find this part of the discussion worthwhile at all.

Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons
might swallow us.  Finally, this fear has become reasonable.

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