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Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

Ludovic Meyer wrote:
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:56:20PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Given all the talk about not being able to influence upstream, it
occurred to me to actually take a look at which of the major
applications I rely on actually come with native systemd service
scripts. I just went through the documentation, and in some cases,
the source trees, for the following:

Most come with sysvinit scripts, several come with their own
startup scripts (e.g., apachectl) that get dropped into rc.local.
Not a one comes with a native systemd service file (even though,
when you search through the mysql documentation it tells you that
oracle linux has switched to systemd).
So... with systemd, one has to:
- rely on packagers to generate systemd service files, and/or,
- rely on systemd's support for sysvinit scripts, which

In the later case, one just has to read:
to get very, very scared

Among the implications of this, the old standby of installing
software from upstream (bypassing packaging), has just gotten a
lot riskier.
Interesting, since I posted this, a bunch of people have jumped on
my comment that relying on packagers and systemd to support sysvinit
scripts seems increasingly risky, but...

Not a single person has commented on the observation that upstream
developers, at least of core server applications, are thoroughly
ignoring systemd.
No one commented because that's false.
I also guess that you will use anyone response to later justify
"see, it try to force its way by forcing people to
integrate with systemd". Either way, that's gonna be used
as a way to criticize.

False, how? I went through the release notes, install instructions, support wikis, source trees, and did some googling for good measure, and all that I found re. systemd scripts for pretty much the most popular server-side programs were a few emails in the Arch users list about how to get these things working w/ systemd.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   .... Yogi Berra

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