Re: Why focus on systemd?
Le dimanche, 16 novembre 2014, 16.36:42 Peter Nieman a écrit :
> Preventing the systemd takeover is certainly important, but it won't
> be enough to reverse the trend, I fear.
None of the talking on debian-user about "meta", "conceptual" or
"generic" systemd issues will allow a "systemd takeover" in Debian;
none.
NONE.
The Debian Technical Committee was asked to resolve a dispute of
overlapping jurisdictions by deciding (in agreement with the Debian
Constitution) which init system would be default for the Jessie release.
It decided to put 'systemd' on the ballot and the outcome of the vote
was 'systemd'. The TC included a possibility to override this decision
with an exceptional '1:1' majority requirement. The Developers' body
which could have overriden this decision, hasn't done so, at all (a GR
to do so was not even proposed). That decision of the Debian TC is
therefore 'in force' for the whole Debian project.
You might very well be unhappy with this situation, the way the decision
was taken, the way it wasn't challenged by the DDs, the fact that no
conditions were posed to systemd maintainers, or anything else, that's
totally fine. Please just be aware that repeating your unhappiness ad
nauseam will not change that fact.
In fact, I'm quite sure that the 'meta' discussions about systemd on
debian-user are seriously annoying to a lot of subscribers and to a lot
of developers too. This, because what should be done now is not
"arguying endlessly", but "making Jessie the best Debian release ever"
(given the TC decision) through making Jessie work as best as possible
with systemd as init, through making Jessie work as best as possible
with sysvinit as init and doing _actual testing_ of Debian Jessie, in
real use-cases. Screaming and whining about supposed issues with Jessie
without testing it is unproductive, noisy and unfair to the developers.
You might not have noticed, but making points on debian-user against
systemd-in-general or systemd-as-adopted-by-Debian is not making a case
for a systemd-less Debian (much the contrary), it is not either making a
case for a revert of the TC decision (much the contrary). The only way
to make a case for a systemd-less Debian is to _do_it_ !
In general, debian-user is not the right venue for complaints about
Debian decisions; the continuation of the debian-user hijack by these
discussions is a disgrace to this list; please stop. Seriously.
OdyX
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