Re: "Lennart Poettering Linux" -- some real eye openers here ... don't be blindsided!
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On 10/11/2014 7:38 PM, Matt Ventura wrote:
> On 11/9/2014 11:01 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>> Andrew McGlashan:
>>> Forwarding a message "as is" from another mailing list ... very relevant
>>> to Linux and the systemd dilemma.
>>>
>> No, it is not.
>>
>> Sorry, but requiring an up-to-date kernel (or any other infrastructure
>> you
>> rely on) instead of maintaining workarounds and compatibility code in
>> perpetuity makes perfect sense.
>>
>> If you don't like that choice, you have a lot of legitimate options
>>
>> * use another init
>> * use an older version of systemd
>> * upgrade your kernel
>> * back-port the features you want/need
>>
>> Note that bitching about upstream choices on debian-vote is not
>> included in
>> this list.
>>
> The problem is that option #1 is becoming less and less viable due to
> more and more packages pulling in systemd dependencies, sometimes
> completely unecessarily from a functionality standpoint.
Absolutely correct. It might be possible in Jessie, but it won't be for
long as per Lennart's own postings on the matter.
And for those choosing to go with systemd they'll need 20 updates of
Jessie just because the kernel is intrinsically linked to systemd and
needs an update.
Options 2, 3 & 4 are equally non-viable for production systems; they
might be fine for play setups so long as you don't turn the boxen into a
serious security risk; it's a moot point for me anyway, as I don't use
play setups.
> I use systemd on a laptop and a desktop (voluntarily, not because of
> dependencies), but it's fairly clear that there are enough reasons for
> systemd to not be forced on people.
Okay, that's the right reason, by your own choice.
> I find it quite ironic that people are complaining about a GR being used to
> force a decision on people when this whole thing started because systemd is
> being forced on people.
Yes very ironic indeed and yet again, absolutely correct.
The significance of the systemd change should have been reason for
supporters of systemd to fork a new Debian or at the very least a new
blend, not to destroy or damage the existing one.
A.
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