Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

Debian was not created as a doacracy of package maintainers,
that is a falsehood that the coupists keep repeating. Debian
was created as a universal operating system for the users.
Just as the Free Software movement itself was created NOT
for the developers and package maintainers of the software
of the 1970s but for the benifit of the end USER //AGAINST//
the developers who were taking control.

It was a revolt against the "doers" who had become dictators,
by the end users.

Here in Debian and other previously free-software projects
the "doers"* have Again become the dictators.

(*in debian the doers are not the programmers. I am a
programmer, media designer, and song writer on various
free software projects. I'm not a
debian maintainer, I'd never be accepted by their social rules.
Lots of non-programmers are however, they do as they are told,
they are good boys and girls)

Eventually software is completed, it does what it was designed to do
and does it well. At that point any more "Do"ing will push it
out of scope and is a bad thing. At that point, in free software
projects, the original creators go dormant...

and then shit pushers take over.

Debian might be an opensource project, but it has left the domain
of free-software. It's like a bad government who has stopped
serving its people and instead become their master.

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Linux Dave <mckisicd@gmail.com> wrote:

The way I see it, Debian is a "do-ocracy" in the sense that if you want some sort of functionality of the software Debian offers, then you can write the code and change things. I think what the OP intends by this thread is that the everyday users of Debian should have been given more of a say in the Systemd decision. There are lots of ways this could have been done in a more open and transparent (meaning accessible to all) manner. Afterall, what is the harm in opening a general vote on the Systemd move on perhaps the Forums? And allow all registered users to vote. Perhaps even requiring everyone to re-register in a more controlled manner before being allowed to vote so that we can have some way of ensuring these people at least use Debian and have some skin in the game? Just a thought, and it would definitely provide fuel to silence the critics when the results are posted.

In terms of the heated discussions over Systemd. I think it boils down to what some (a lot, actually) of people feel that moving towards a monolithic init system which seems to be gobbling up critical infrastructure functions at an alarming rate runs counter to Linux fundamentals that have served this Distro extremely well up until now, apparently.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:
On 09/25/2014 06:46 PM, John Hasler wrote:

Ric Moore writes:

You are free to boot Debian and use it...

You are also free to copy it, modify it in any way you wish, and start
your own distribution based on it.

There ya go! You can do as you please. It is, after all, a club. :) Ric

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