Re: Reply To settings - was - Re: Debian 7.5 amd64 xfce GUI shutdown and restart do not work
On 23/06/2014, Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com> wrote:
> Bret Busby wrote:
>> Tom H wrote:
>> > Bret Busby wrote:
>> >> Bob Proulx wrote:
>> >>> This is one of those religious wars that has been fought and won and
>> >>> lost many times across the Internet. Please don't start it up again
>> >>> here. If you do really want to do so please use the off-topic mailing
>> >>> list d-community-offtopic@lists.alioth.debian.org since the issue has
>> >>> nothing to do with using Debian.
>> >>
>> >> Given what has already hapened within the thread, the above
>> >> message to which I am responding, appears to be a troll.
>> >
>> > Requesting that you take a religious-type discussion (like a list's
>> > "Reply To" settings) to the OT list isn't trolling!
>>
>> If either you or he, had read what had aleardy passed in the thread,
>> you and he would have seen that the matter had been dealt with,
>
> I had read through the thread. For reference it starts here:
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/06/msg01192.html
>
> And it was that message to which I replied. "wes" kindly pointed to a
> different thread of discussion which clarified things somewhat.
> However that was a different thread and I had skipped over reading it.
>
>> resulting in my making a request for change, to the people maintaining
>> PINE/ALPINE, to allow the option of replying to a list, using the
>> List-Post field value in message headers, which solution had been
>> included in the previous postings in the thread.
>
> Sorry but it was not clear to me in the thread that you were making an
> enhancement request for the alpine package.
>
> As a suggestion I doubt the alpine package maintainers are reading
> this mailing list. I haven't seen the maintainer's address here, that
> I have noticed. It it much better for enhancement requests if a
> wishlist bug is filed against the package in the BTS. That will get
> the attention of the maintainer. But unless someone actually steps
> forward and does the work it still probably won't get done. But at
> least the effort will be documented in an easier to locate place.
>
> Most work for enhancing is better done directly with the upstream
> maintainers. It is controversial how many patches should be
> maintained downstream in Debian. Some think many. Some think none.
> Many upstreams become upset if their software is modified. Some
> welcome it. Therefore I think it is best to try to work with the
> upstream project directly when possible to develop new features.
>
>> I had not previously been aware of RFC2369, and so, the thread, with
>> its responses before the trolls, had been constructive and
>> educational, which, I believe is supposed to be the purpose of this
>> mailing list.
>>
>> Gmail appears to not have provision for making Requests For Change,
>> regarding the Gmail email facility, so I appear to not be able to make
>> a Request For Change, to the Gmail people, which could solve the
>> problem in using Gmail..
>
> Google is rather notorious for being hard to reach on such things.
>
>> I had posted what I had posted, regarding the abillity to reply to the
>> list, solution had been posted and demonstrated, and, the matter had
>> (I believe) been closed, insofar as the thread on this list, had been
>> concerned.
>>
>> The subsequent messages posted by
>> <bob@proulx.com>
>> <tomh0665@gmail.com>
>> <lazyvirus@gmx.com>
>> were inflammatory, and, posted for the purpose of being inflammatory,
>> making them trolls.
>
> Two of those three certainly were not. But somehow I think we are
> using different definitions for an internet troll. A troll is almost
> always trying to increase noise in a newsgroup or mailing list by
> stirring up trouble.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
>
> The messages you are marking as trolling are trying to reduce noise on
> this mailing list. Because discussions of reply-to have historically
> been very controversial topics. We have been there many times.
>
>> The thread had come to an end; it had the solution, and, the thread
>> had died, and those people revived it, to create a zombie for evil
>> purposes.
>
> Let me formally apologize if I misunderstood your message. My mistake
> was reading your message and thinking you were asking for a
> controversial change to the mailing list. If past history is a
> prediction that would have started a discussion hundreds of messages
> long. If I had understood that you were asking for an enhancement
> request for a package I wouldn't have commented as I did. Therefore
> let me say that I am sorry if I offended you. I am also sorry if I
> extended a discussion that had concluded. No evil was intended.
>
> Please be careful directly calling people trolls however. We try to
> be a pleasant and welcoming place here on the mailing list. But ad
> hominem attacks never go well for anyone. My advice is to avoid using
> that perjorative directly against people. It is too easy to take it
> personally since personally is how it is directed. Therefore my best
> advice is to avoid it. :-)
>
> Bob
>
With everything that has been posted in this thread, let us just end
the thread, please.
--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..............
"So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
A Trilogy In Four Parts",
written by Douglas Adams,
published by Pan Books, 1992
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