Re: [OT] KDM No Longer In KDE ?!?

[yaro@marupa.net]

On Monday, February 17, 2014 12:00:23 PM yaro@marupa.net wrote:
> On Monday, February 17, 2014 06:02:47 PM Erwan David wrote:
> > Le 17/02/2014 17:27, yaro@marupa.net a écrit :
> > > On Monday, February 17, 2014 04:13:11 PM Nick Boyce wrote:
> > >> Sorry - this isn't strictly a Debian KDE question, but I figure
> > >> somebody
> > >> here will know something about this.
> > >> 
> > >> In the latest KDE Commit-Digest (Issue 322, dated 12th.Jan.2014) [1]
> > >> the
> > >> 
> > >> following very terse and (to me) bizarre statement is made :
> > >>   "KDM has been removed ... KDM goes the way of the Dodo.
> > >>   
> > >>   It's exactly, to the day, 6 years ago that we released "KDE 4.0",
> > >>   while this is of course entirely unrelated to this commit, let's
> > >>   celebrate this anniversary with the deletion of kdm from
> > >>   kde-workspace."
> > >> 
> > >> There is no explanation for this, no clarification about a replacement
> > >> of some sort.  A quick bit of googling for such terms as "KDM removal
> > >> [why]" reveals nothing. Can anyone here enlighten me please ?
> > >> 
> > >> I'm just trying to stay educated :)
> > >> 
> > >> [1] http://commit-digest.org/issues/2014-01-12/
> > >> 
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Nick
> > > 
> > > http://www.thepowerbase.com/2013/03/plasma-workspaces-2-coming-to-waylan
> > > d-> > kdm-not-invited/
> > > 
> > > Conrad
> > 
> > So it seems linux is becoming a new windows, loosing features after
> > features to be only a cvlone for the dumb people who want windows
> > without learning anything else.
> 
> If you read the article, they give excellent reasons for it. KDM doesn't
> suit the needs of KDE into the future. Instead they want to pick an
> existing DM that will already have good Wayland support. Seems reasonable
> to me.
> > What can we use to keep remote dispaly whch wayland does not ahve (and
> > no a remote desktop is NOT a remote display of a program).
> 
> When is the last time, realistically, you've actually used XDCMP or X
> tunneling? Also, there's nothing stopping people from creating a compositor
> for Wayland that is network transparent.
> 
> The problem with X's network transparency is that it's horribly inefficient
> (Slow even on broadband connections and takes a LOT of bandwidth for all the
> protocols X11 uses.) and has very little use in today's Linux desktops. You
> might not like it, but RDP/VNC are better alternatives.
> 
> I personally just use SSH. I have no need for remote GUIs on Linux.
> 
> > People may choose to eat shit, the propblem is when they force it on
> > other people.
> 
> Then why choose to continue eating OLD shit? X11 is an ancient, cruft-
> encumbered pile with "features" that aren't needed at all anymore on today's
> desktop. Even the Xorg developers want to see the day they don't work on
> Xorg.
> 
> Wayland isn't being forced on anybody, but it's generally agreed by users
> and developers alike it's a good move because it gets rid of stuff we just
> have no use for and takes advantage of actual modern features we could
> actually use on a Linux desktop like KMS and compositing, two features that
> were effectively hacked in to Xorg.
> 
> It's like SysV Init, it's an old, tired, pain in the ass to maintain that is
> going to be replaced but has people who want it to stay around because
> change is bad.
> 
> Conrad

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