Re: EU Regulation and gvfs
Ralf Mardorf, 19.03.2013:
> Hi,
>
> there's an issue with gvfs.
>
> Regarding to an EU Regulation external drives must spin down after a
> while, but gvfs make external drives spin up and down again and again so
> they don't stay asleep.
>
> I own a new WD Elements and within one week it aged by years.
>
> I marked a thread about this issue as solved, but it isn't, it's just a
> workaround. For some drives it's possible to disable it, but for drives
> where you can't open the case it can be impossible to do it.
Another workaround, perhaps: I remember noticing something for this on
the hdparm man page. Checking again now, I see that the -J option is
for setting WD Green drives' "idle3" timeout value. It mentions that
you can even disable it completely. Maybe it'll work for your drive
too...
Selim
> One way to safe lifetime then is to touch the drive in short intervals,
> to avoid a spin down and the other way is to remove gvfs and to mount
> block devices, not only USB devices, by a workaround.
>
> Other USB gear, but block devices, don't need gvfs, such as WiFi
> adapters.
>
> Since I'm short in time at the moment, I only tested Arch Linux and
> Ubuntu Linux intensively [1].
>
> I'm cross-posting this information, hopefully you understand why I'm
> doing this.
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
> [1]
> From: Ralf Mardorf
> To: linux-audio-user
> Subject: [solved] External USB 2 HD for real-time recording
> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:43:57 +0100
>
> On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 18:12 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > The issue that the drive will spin up and down again and again can be
> > avoided.
> >
> > I removed
> >
> > - thunar-volman
> > - tumbler
> > - gvfs
> >
> > on Arch Linux. No packages depend on those packages for my Arch Linux.
> > The drive keeps asleep, even with still one partition mounted.
> > Later I'll add one package after the other, to find out what does cause
> > the access and I also will take a look at Ubuntu.
>
> Arch Linux:
>
> Only gvfs needs to be removed, no need to remove thunar-volman and
> tumbler. However, thunar-volman without gvfs seems to be useless.
> Tumbler doesn't cause issues, but I don't know what it's good for. To
> see thumbnails with Thunar it isn't needed.
>
> I keep thunar-volman and tumbler on Arch and only removed gvfs. For my
> Arch nothing depends on gvfs, so it was the only package I had to remove.
>
>
>
> Ubuntu Quantal:
>
> root@q:~# apt-get purge gvfs
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> brasero* gvfs* gvfs-backends* gvfs-fuse* nautilus* nautilus-sendto*
> nautilus-share*
>
> Who cares about the packages that depend on it? I anyway use Thunar
> instead of Nautilus and K3b instead of Brasero.
>
>
>
> Résumé:
>
> So who is to blame?
>
>
> By EU Regulation external drives must spin down.
>
> I even didn't completely read the German blah blah blah,
> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Ab-2010-Maximal-2-Watt-im-Standby-Betrieb-von-Haushaltsgeraeten-PCs-und-Unterhaltungselektronik-Update-193947.html
> and I won't search for links in English.
>
> Xfce doesn't depend on gvfs, neither the Arch, nor the Ubuntu packages.
> Until now it seems to be, that without gvfs, partitions can't be mounted
> with a file browser, they have to be mounted by CLI. It's not only an
> issue for the USB drive, but also for USB sticks.
>
> It takes 30 minutes, then the WD Elements spins down and stays asleep.
> If you don't like this,than blame the EU.
> If you like it, then blame gvfs.
>
> Does VirtualBox still see my iPad 2 connected by USB when gvfs is
> removed?
>
> No problem, even an USB stick and even the
> external USB hard disk are available by VirtualBox.
>
>
> Is my KORG nanoKONTROL still accessible after removing gvfs?
>
> It still does show up in QjackCtl's ALSA tab.
>
>
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