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Re: Advice on system purchase

On 10/30/2012 8:01 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> Stan Hoeppner writes:
>> No, I mean millions [of ARM cpus].  One billion chips per year would
>> equal 1 for every 7 humans on the planet, and that's simply
>> impossible.  Over 3 billion people have never used an electronic
>> device.  That's almost half the Earth's population.  Do the math.
>>From <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture>:
>  In 2005 about 98% of the more than one billion mobile phones sold each
>  year used at least one ARM processor.
>  ...
>  ARM licensed about 1.6 billion cores in 2005. In 2005, about 1 billion
>  ARM cores went into mobile phones.[13] By January 2008, over 10
>  billion ARM cores had been built, and in 2008 iSuppli predicted that
>  by 2011, 5 billion ARM cores will be shipping per year.[14] As of
>  January 2011, ARM stated that over 15 billion ARM processors have
>  shipped.[15]

Multiple people quoting me out of context and arguing a meaningless
point.  The context of this sub-thread, and my statement, was units
shipped that are suitable for use as a desktop processor.  Review your
numbers in that context, recalculate, and get back to us.  Hint:  as I
already stated, it's less than a billion.

If you wish to continue arguing this point, please first state why
you're continuing to argue.  The actual number doesn't materially impact
why ARM isn't and won't be on the desktop any time soon, if ever.  It's
a minor supporting data point John.  If you simply want to argue, go
find someone else to argue with.  You simply can't disprove my case,
because my case is already proven:  there are no ARM desktops.

>> ...if you're an exec at ARM, would you consider such a push viable?
>> Let alone profitable?  No, you wouldn't.
> ARM doesn't manufacture anything.  They license their designs and
> patents.  A few of the licensees:
>  Analog Devices, AppliedMicro, Atmel, Broadcom, Cirrus Logic, Energy
>  Micro, Faraday Technology, Freescale, Fujitsu, Intel (through its
>  settlement with Digital Equipment Corporation), IBM, Infineon
>  Technologies, Marvell Technology Group, Nintendo, Nvidia, NXP
>  Semiconductors, OKI, Qualcomm, Samsung, Sharp, STMicroelectronics, and
>  Texas Instruments

Apparently my collective use of "ARM" here, and other places in the
paragraph you quote this from, was confusing to you John.  Please try to
practice some inference and critical thinking skills, and keep up.  Yes,
ARM has been fabless since inception, and everyone knows this.  Same for
MIPS, SPARC, and many others from that period.  Today, almost all CPU
design houses are fabless, including AMD.  And in fact, most of the ARM
licensees you list above, cut from the Wikipedia article, are in fact
fabless companies, to name a few:  Cirrus, Energy Micro, Nintendo,
nVidia, Oki, and Sharp.  Others in your list are probably fabless as
well, but these 6 I know for fact off the top of my head.

Please note for future reference that my knowledge of hardware and the
workings of the industry are a couple of orders of magnitude higher than
yours, maybe more.  I'm not bragging, simply stating fact.  I've been
living/breathing computer hardware since 1987 give or take a few months.
 Note my email domain for Pete's sake.

In the future, if you don't understand something I've said, instead of
attempting to tell me I don't know something, simply ask for clarification.


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