Re: Installation
On Sunday 09 September 2012 16:23:52 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 9. September 2012 schrieb Camaleón:
> > > I quite much agree to the installation stuff.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I put Linux on the laptop I bought with my father for my father. He
> > > used Firefox and Thunderbird and some crappy photo management
> > > software.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I put KDE on it plus Iceweasel, Icedove and Digikam as applications.
> > > And each a button for internet on and off (this Debian Lenny
> > > installation is using HFC USB based ISDN adapter for accessing the
> > > net, thats why I am reluctant to upgrade to Squeeze or Wheezy, cause
> > > I have the gut feeling that ISDN on Squeeze or Wheezy is quite some
> > > fiddling again.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well that just works.
> >
> > (...)
> >
> > And you know why that works? Because "you" wanted it worked, not your
> > father. Now imagine your father has to do all the job by his own, do
> > you still think he is going to maintain his current setup? I really
> > doubt it.
> >
> > Now imagine a different scenario. Your father buys a computer with a
> > Linux distribution on it which is already preconfigured. At a first
> > glance it seems to be a good idea: the computer is cheaper because
> > there's no OS licence that needs to be tributed and the guy of the
> > shop instructs your father about the advandatges of the Linux systems
> > -less viruses and malwares, rock-solid...).
>
> Well may father came with an outdated Ubuntu box he bought in some
> discounter and asked me to install it ;).
>
> So it wasn´t exactly my wish to have this working. But then maybe my
> statement that I won´t fix any Windows if it gets broke may have
> contributed to his decision. But I think he wanted to have a glimpse at
> what his son is working with all the time and thats this has been more of
> a reason for his decision.
>
> > Back to home, your uncle sends a "beautiful" PowerPoint file by e-mail
> > to your father and despite LibreOffice can open the file with no
> > problem your father ears no sound. And here is where the real linux
> > hist[eo]ry starts... at this point, unless your father either a) shows
> > a real interest in solving the problem by himself or b) you or someone
> > else is near to solve the problem, 99% of the time your fictional
> > father will simply jump to Windows.
>
> So ignorance of real open standards, well standards that mean to be
> interoperable from the beginning, harms the adoption of Linux? Ignorance
> of a standard that has been formalized way before Microsoft paid their
> standard through the comitee members. Ignorance of a standard thats way
> easier to grasp cause its documentation is to the point…
>
> What a pity.
>
> But then I - as a corner case or not - don´t give much about being able to
> view a power point presentation.
>
> If I cared about being a corner case I wouldn´t be where I am now.
>
> If 99% of all people decide to give up their freedom when using their
> computers I do not need to follow. Just as if 99% of all people decide to
> jump through a window and get themselves hurt I do not have to follow.
>
> But unless you plan to have world domination of Debian on all desktops I
> see no point in going on with this discussion…
>
> Actually everyone is free to use the operating of their choice or non-
> choice so either people advertise Linux to other people by showing it off
> and probably helping installing it to change the situation or not.
>
> I do think that having Windows is often the result of a non-choice of the
> operating system. Just like having Android on a smartphone btw.
>
> If you learnt Linux in the school and get bought a Linux machine by your
> parents and enough others have a similar socialisation how do you care
> about any Powerpoint file at all?
>
> Frankly, I do not care anymore. I say openly how I see Linux. I show it off
> to interested people. And if someone is not interested, I let them have
> their way.
>
> But if someone needs help and has Windows I am quite reluctant about it
> meanwhile. Cause I have better things to do with my life than wasting
> countless hours on fixing Windows systems. Been there, done that and found
> other stuff to be more joy for me.
>
> If people insist of running around an advertising pillar with an
> advertisement of how good Windows is without looking in another direction
> than where the pillar is that is perfectly their choice.
>
> And I do not get what their choice has to do with Debian. Frankly, is non-
> adoption of Debian by any amount of those users something that makes your
> life more miserable?
>
> If not, why do you care?
>
> When I learnt something from life it is that I can ever only change
> myself. I cannot change anyone else. So why even bother trying to do this?
>
> If you feel your mission is to raise adoption of Linux on the desktop,
> then by all means follow all ways that you see fit that invite people to
> try it out. Sell pre-installed computers, give computer courses, whatever.
>
> If not, then just be happy with what you have.
>
> Its a lot with Debian GNU/BSD/Linux in my eyes. Really a lot.
>
> My life is not more miserable due to having just a user base of 1,5% with
> Linux on desktops. Well maybe sometimes I wish some more good games. But
> when I look at the PC game market I am quite sure I´d ditch 99% of those
> games for unnecessary violence that just ends in it self and is displayed
> in a unnecessarily explicit way. I want story, I want characters that
> evolve, I want colors, I want a beautiful world. So I am not interested in
> all that end-of-the-time, pessimistic and violent ego shooter shit that
> people tend to call games.
>
> Even if 99% of all gamers want to play these? Why do I have to follow
> their way if it is not mine?
>
> I do think open source application put a lot effort in making Linux and
> applications running on it more accessible to the casual user. I am
> grateful for that. Quite some applications got better this way. Not all of
> them, but quite some. Apart from that… if someone wants to try it out,
> fine. If not, why bother except for the cases where I receive concrete and
> constructive feedback on how to improve the situation and I want to put
> myself in a position to do something about it?
+1 :-) (Except that the fewer games the better as far as I am concerned!)
Lisi
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