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Re: Free movies on the Internet -- download scams [OT]



On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Scott Ferguson
<scott.ferguson.debian.user@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 28/02/12 19:23, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 18:21 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>>> On 28/02/12 15:34, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 05:24 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 11:16 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>> Lot's of, um, people searching for free lunches means lots of people
>>>>>> falling into traps.
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> An advice to the OP and everybody who download videos for free by
>>>>> torrent.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my hometown Oberhausen Rheinland Germany the judges don't care about,
>>>>> if somebody else did "download" [1] videos and music for free via your
>>>>> protected account. If somebody was able to hack your protection it's
>>>>> your fault.
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>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Happens to a clueless person I know. I suspect regarding to the
>>>>> "download" this person is mistaken. I guess the person had to pay much
>>>>> money, because somebody else did upload, when doing a download.
>
> NOTE: download is regarded as theft of potential revenue (by means of a
> distribution system that threatens the one run by a monopolistic
> cartel). Upload while downloading (bittorrent) is distribution - a more
> serious offence by most laws.
>
> Unfortunately "piracy" (a psyops term that backfired) is used as a
> scapegoat to threaten bittorrent as a distribution system for
> independent content makers.
>
>>>>
>>>> PS: I wonder how (in)secure it is to fake an IP with the torrent client.
>>>
>>> :-D
>>>
>>> How are you going to get packets back when you're spoofing your address?
>>
>> Good point.
>
>
>> Another way to go would doing the download / upload by a tor
>> network.
>
> A. tor will *not* thank you
> B. it'd be slow
> C. it presupposes your entry and exit nodes can't be matched - which
> both PIDA and SOPA will enable.
> D. it relies on RIAA and others not running their own tor node
> E. all of the above rely on PirateBay remaining in business - which
> partially relies on *not* hosting actual torrent files (switching to
> magnets only) allowing them to remain in business. I wouldn't bet on it
> - neither does Rupert Murdock.
>
> A 'possible' future will ban tor as it will ban bittorrent.
>
> - From a purely hypothetical point of view I can think of four methods
> that would (likely) work (the first one preceded PirateBay). None of
> them specifically Debian related ;-p
>
> <snipped>
>
>>
>> The IP in Germany only is given by a judicial decision. How do the
>> lawyers argument to get a judicial decision?
>>
>
> Most of the time it never gets to court - just a threatening letter and
> a demand of payment. If you look at what SOPA and PIPA want to do you
> won't see much mention of courts being involved. ACTA would mean an
> international treaty, which generally takes precedence over federal laws
> (IANAL).
>
> The thin end of the wedge is the monitoring for a three strike policy -
> which doesn't involve courts. Once the mechanisms are in place it may be
> a different story.

Lots of films are really amazing. definitely worth watching
(especially those vintage ones).

I feel the appreciation of the beaut of the film/art is more valuable
than the "ticket" price.

As a film-maker (I have never met one or talked one though) I guess
they would love their works to be watched by many people and also
would love it to be distributed.
maybe unconsciously wished their work to survive centuries as human heritage.

Frankly speaking, I watched lots of films online in the last 10 years
(so lots).
Ideally I think those things shouldn't have gave so much law
restrictions (I am law-illiteracy) even the creation of the original
work should be protected, but not-over-protected.

Maybe I am wrong.


Best regards,

>
> Kind regards
>
>
> - --
> "Oh sorry, I was taking life seriously."
> — Bill Hicks
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