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Re: A bug in debian, but i don't know which package [solved]



On 20091015_084022, Frank Lin PIAT wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 22:41 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > ... I prepared a new partition and used my netinstall CD to install a
> > complete Xfce system there. This is not the first time I have 
> > installed Debian, so everything went pretty smoothly and shortly I had
> > an Xfce system up and running and looking like the screen shots
> > on the web, but...
> > 
> > It didn't seem to have a way to mount memory sticks like I had 
> > become used to under Gnome, particularly the automatic creation
> > of a mount-point in /media using the volume label for the name.
> > 
> > ... I finally determined, to my satisfaction,
> > that the hal package was needed to make the feature work. [..]
> > 
> > Anyway, I think that hal should be included in the Xfce install that
> > is burnt into the netinstall CD.
> 
> Well, Xfce's file manager is thunar. The thing is that thunar does
> "recommends" hal, so aptitude would install it by default when you
> install xfce.
> 
> Until Lenny Debian-Installer,including tasksel, did not install the
> "recommended" packages, but only packages. At the same time, Debian
> installer uses the Tasks and virtual package to list the package that
> should be installed for each type of installation (gnome, xfce...
> laptop,desktop... fileserver, webserver...). AFAIK, the purpose was to
> be able to finely tune the content of Gnome/KDE/XFCE/LXDE, to fit the
> maximum into the CD. (this is done very late in the release cycle).
> 
> In Squeeze, DebianInstaller might install all recommends by default (the
> issue is that it would increase the default installation size
> significantly)
> 
> >  I know that Xfce is an avowedly
> > minimalist environment, but the Debian install version of Xfce is
> > definately not minimal.
> 
> Thunar maintainer seems to agree with you, since thunar "recommends" hal
> (otherwise, it would be "suggested" only)
> 
> > So it seems to me that this package was simply overlooked when
> > configuring tasksel, but maybe not.
> 
> may be.
> 
> > What is the package that determines what gets put into the tasksel for
> > each of the different environments? I'd like this to get on a to-do
> > list for the up-coming Squeeze netinstall CD.
> 
> The description and content of tasksel tasks are contained in
> tasksel-data's /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc
> 
> Read http://wiki.debian.org/KDE http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome for more
> information about DesktopEnvironements tasks. I have little interest in
> Xfce, so I never updated the page http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce
> 
> > An afterthought: Why does tasksel continue to exist and be used? 
> 
> The Debian-Installer team are the right person to ask. As I mentioned
> above, I think it's essentially to determine the content of Debian CDs.
> 
> > I know of no way to look up what will be installed before I ask 
> > commit to a run of tasksel. If I try something and there is a disaster,
> > I have very little to go on to try to clean up the mess. But the
> > apt system and aptitude are very helpful in avoiding serious errors.
> 
> tasksel has a test mode, the the manpage.
> 
> > The developers who configure tasksel for various situations surely
> > know how to write package dependency lists. If special packages of
> > packages for various popular cibfugurations were written, then people
> > like me could use aptitude to determine what goes into a big, messy
> > thing like a fully  configured desktop environment. 
> 
> I believe they are aware of the problem. However, tasksel is used, very
> late in the release process, to finely tune what is installed in the
> CDs.
> 
> You can read http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2009/03/msg00413.html

Reading this, I'm confident that my concern will be addressed without further
action from me. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

> 
> Did you install Debian Lenny or Debian Testing ? If you installed

Lenny, but the concern was for the up-coming release of Squeeze. 
I do not any more think that I need to report a bug, so many questions
in my post have become unimportant. Thanks for cutting short a 
discussion that could easily have become very tangled.
 
> testing, You should file an installation-report bug, using :
>   reportbug installation???report
> And quickly explain that Xfce should install hal.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Franklin
> 
> 
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Paul E Condon           
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