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Re: how does GRUB read from /boot on software-RAID partition?



On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 03:21:23PM -0500, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> ...
> >> Since GRUB hasn't loaded the kernel file yet, GRUB can't be using the kernel
> >> and its md driver, and therefore can't be reading the partition _as_a_RAID_
> >> _volume_ (/dev/mdX), right?
> >>
> >> So is GRUB just reading the partition directly to get to the file system?
AFAIK
> >>
> > 
> > GRUB does not know anything about RAID, so I assume this is true.
> 
> That's what I have been thinking, but I just found the message at
> http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-raid@vger.kernel.org/msg09712.html
> that says::
> 
>     ... once grub2 has determined that the intended boot partition is
>     a raid partition, the raid code takes over ... and it scans for all
>     the other members of the raid array and utilizes whichever drives it
>     needs to in order to complete the boot process.  ... [I]t doesn't
>     need any member of a raid1 array to be perfect[;] it will attempt a
>     round robin read on all the sectors and only fail if all drives return
>     an error for a given read.
> 
> Is that _just_ for GRUB2 and or does the current GRUB (0.97) in Lenny
> also do that?
> 
AFAIK only GRUB2 can do the round-robin thingy.  GRUB goes after the one
disk it knows about.  

> 
> >> ... is GRUB taking advantage of the fact that the RAID metadata is
> >> written at the end of a partition ...
> ...
> >> If so, how reliable is that?
> >>
> >> Should one put /boot on a plain, non-RAID partition on one disk and
> >> somehow (manually or automatically) maintain a backup /boot partition on 
>  >> the second disk, or is it fine to put /boot on a mirrored partition (so
>  >> maintaining redundancy is automatic) and let GRUB read the partition directly?
> >>
> > 
> > Again, while I haven't tried, I've seen several reports that this works.
> > ... So why make things more complicated and not automatic?
> 
> I don't get why you're asking that.  I _am_ trying to avoid the complicated
> and non-automatic solution (trying to check whether the simpler solution is
> reliable).
 
I had a box with two SATA drives.  I had three partitions on each drive,
each drive partitioned identically.  First partition was for raid1 for
/boot, second partition was for raid1 for LVM, third partition was for
LVM alone.  This was with Etch, installed directly with the installer.

/boot on raid1.  Installed grub on both disks.  Since the remainder of
the system was on LVM over raid1, the dev-mapper took care of device
names.  

I tested booting by unplugging (power and data) each drive in turn,
booting with grub was never a problem.

Doug.


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