Re: Corrupt data - RAID sata_sil 3114 chip
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 02:53:09PM -0600, Robert Hancock wrote:
> Bernd Schubert wrote:
>> [sorry sent again, since Robert dropped all mailing list CCs and I
>> didn't notice first]
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 12:31:12PM -0600, Robert Hancock wrote:
>>> Bernd Schubert wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 01:39:36PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 22:30:07 +0100
>>>>> Bernd Schubert <bs@q-leap.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Bengt,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sil3114 is known to cause data corruption with some disks.
>>>>> News to me. There are a few people with lots of SI and other devices
>>>> No no, you just forgot about it, since you even reviewed the patches ;)
>>>>
>>>> http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/10/11/137
>>> And Jeff explained why they were not merged:
>>>
>>> http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/10/11/166
>>>
>>> All the patch does is try to reduce the speed impact of the
>>> workaround. But as was pointed out, they don't reliably solve the
>>> problem the workaround is trying to fix, and besides, the workaround
>>> is already not applied to SiI3114 at all, as it is apparently not
>>> applicable on that controller (only 3112).
>>
>> Well, do they reliable solve the problem in our case (before taking the patch
>> into production I run a checksum tests for about 2 weeks). Anyway, I entirely
>> understand the patches didn't get accepted.
>>
>> But now more than a year has passed again without doing anything
>> about it and actually this is what I strongly criticize. Most people don't
>> know about issues like that and don't run file checksum tests as I now always
>> do before taking a disk into production. So users are exposed to known
>> data corruption problems without even being warned about it. Usually
>> even backups don't help, since one creates a backup of the corrupted data.
>>
>> So IMHO, the driver should be deactived for sil3114 until a real
>> solution is found. And it only should be possible to force activate it
>> by a kernel flag, which then also would print a huuuge warning about
>> possible data corruption (unfortunately most distributions disables
>> inital kernel messages *grumble*).
>
> If the corruption was happening on all such controllers then people
> would have been complaining in droves and something would have been
> done. It seems much more likely that in this case the problem is some
> kind of hardware fault or combination of hardware which is causing the
> problem. Unfortunately these kind of not-easily-reproducible issues tend
> to be very hard to track down.
>
Well yes, it only happens with certain drives. But these drives work fine on
other controllers. But still these are by now
known issues and nothing is done for that.
I would happily help to solve the problem, I just don't have any knowledge
about hardware programming. What would be your next step, if you had remote
access to such a system?
Thanks,
Bernd
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