Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2009 #12

2009/1/2 <debian-user-digest-request@lists.debian.org>

debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2009 : Issue 12

Today's Topics:
Re: OT: laptop recomendations [ "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <bss@iguan ]
Re: OT: laptop recomendations [ "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <bss@iguan ]
kde Lenny testing [ "Sonny Jordan" <sonnyrme2@gmail.com ]
Re: Suggestion about file permission [ "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <bss@iguan ]
Re: Failed Lenny Installs - Etch Ins [ chris <nws@cevnet.mine.nu> ]
Re: hard crash on leap second [ Bob Cox <debian-user@lists.bobcox.c ]
Re: kde Lenny testing [ "Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <tshepang@gm ]
Re: Nice looking terminal applicatio [ "David Schmidt" <davewood@gmx.at> ]
Re: monitoring HP NetRaid-1si hardwa [ Arthur Marsh <arthur.marsh@internod ]
Re: Nice looking terminal applicatio [ "Kelly Clowers" <kelly.clowers@gmai ]
Re: Transferring pictures from a dig [ Bob Cox <debian-user@lists.bobcox.c ]
How to connect a Host to tunnel (so [ Jabka Atu <mashrom.head@gmail.com> ]
[solved] Re: grub2 and ext4 [ Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> ]

On Thursday 01 January 2009, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
<raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> wrote about 'Re: OT: laptop recomendations':
>Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> On Wednesday 2008 December 10 16:45:09 Micha Feigin wrote:
>>>Runner up is Dell, although the hardware seems a bit cheap when looking
>>> at the drivers (especially the touchpad which tends to be alps which
>>> isn't up to par with the synaptic).
>>
>> I'm happy with my Dell Inspiron E1505. My roommate is happy with his
>> more recent laptop purchase from Dell. My other roommate likes his
>> Thinkpad, but it is a much older system, so I can't say that reflects
>> the quality of current Thinkpads.
>
>I own a Dell Inspiron E1505. I do not recommend it. Get something else
>(preferably non-Dell).
>
>I always have problems with their batteries, video card. No matter how
> many times I replace the batteries, they seem to go bad after some time.
> I replaced the battery 3 times. After 3-4 months the battery life will
> be reduced to less than 1 hour and then after some time, they just don't
> work.

I'm still using the original battery, although I did get a spare for when I
will eventually wear out. It depends on what I'm doing, but 4 hours of
battery life is not unheard of, nearly 1.5 years after the purchase date.

Running the DVD drive constantly *significantly* reduces that, but I can
still use it for at least 90 minutes watching a DVD while running on the
battery.

>As for the video card, if I play a flash based movie in windows XP, there
>will be a "blue screen memory map" error after some time. FWIW, the
> movies work fine in Linux. I searched in google for this and found that
> the video cards in Dell Inspiron E1505 are defective.

Link please?

I'd never even consider installing MS Windows on mine, but I've never had a
video-card related kernel panic or even X crash. I've played plenty of
flash-based video in Linux. The card / drivers don't seem to like each
other a whole lot though. My Etch/Lenny mix I had on it until Dec. 8th
needed to be switched to a test-mode VC and back before it would display
anything after a resume. The openSUSE 11.1 (for work I need turnpike and
the Novell/Nortel plugin) I'm running on it right now appears to do that
for me.

>In general, I think Dell's hardware is unreliable. They work fine
> initially. But after 1 year or so, things start to fall apart. This is
> if you plan to use laptop intensively (say 8-10 hours a day). But if you
> just use it for 1-2 hours a day, then it's life might be more.

Mine is a work laptop. I generally use it 8 hours, 5 days a week. It gets
even more use if I've got some problems with my desktop, up to ~12 hours,
7 days a week.

The only hardware-related problem I had with it was a "stuck *row*" in the
LCD panel. I lived with it for a while, even using it as a guide for how
I partitioned my desktop with windows (to hide it in the window borders).
However, when I finally got around to calling Dell, they replaced the LCD
panel with no cost to me, sending a technician w/ parts to my workplace so
downtime was minimal.

Anyway, I'm not sure my experience with a laptop is "norm". You probably
should get multiple (>3) opinions on vendors/models you are considering.
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On Friday 02 January 2009, Mark Allums <mark@allums.com> wrote about 'Re:
OT: laptop recomendations':
>Don't blame Dell for the video being defective, in this case. The
>culprit is NVidia, and all laptop makers are at their mercy.

The laptop in question (Inspiron E1505) has an Intel video card.
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Just want to say I have been slowly & patiently waiting for the stable release of 'Lenny".
I have been trying others for fun. I decided tonight to go ahead & download the testing release of the KDE Lenny. I AM SO GLAD Y'ALL DID NOT USE THE STUPID & PITIFUL 'PULSE AUDIO'.!!
I can actually hear my music with debian! I can also record Streamtuner!! I know it is not nice to mention names so I will just use the first letter of other distros using Debian repos that really suck on the afore mentioned. I have tried U, K, UUE & Mint(sorry) And only Mint Records But still cannot adjust volume to hear it good..
I haveused Debian since around 3. I love Debian! It is quick,Understandale, & easy! The Debian install stinks though. No live CD. Takes about 20 min. to install. BUT it is worth it!
Love your KDE version so far! I hope it is on the stable release.
To all the people working on Debian...THANK YOU for the pleasure of being able to use & say that Debian is my desktop!
Thank You,
Sonny Jordan

On Thursday 01 January 2009, grok <grok@resist.ca> wrote about 'Suggestion
about file permissions being listed in debian packages':
>A lot of issues with users come about because of incorrect
>file/dir permissions (for whatever reasons. Make no
>assumptions, please. There's a good reason why Ubuntu now
>exists).

I don't know that's true, but I'll assume it is for the benefit of further
discussion.

>Wouldn't the '/var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.list' files be
>the perfect place to explicitly lay out the file & directory
>permissions/user/group info for each file in a package?

Yes.

>That
>way, the users could, if necessary, check the present state
>of their packages by this list, first, to see if their
>problems might possibly be cleared up by adherence to this
>schema. The worst that could happen would be that the info
>in the .list file would be wrong -- itself a symptom of a
>bad install, etc.

I agree.

>Does this make sense?

Yes.

Try searching the archives for previous discussions (I don't remember any,
but the list has been around a *long* time), you might find some less
agreeable points of view that will help sharpen your argument. Assuming
no one pipes up here with an issue after a week or so. File a bug
(wishlist priority) against the "general" pseudo-package, and follow up
it's opening with a mail to debian-devel; that should get the ball
rolling.
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ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-'
http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:46:10 -0500, Bill Diehl wrote:

> So, I installed Etch r5 i386 without any problems.

You do know that if you change "etch" to "lenny" in /etc/apt/
sources.list, you can upgrade your system to testing? You do not need the
Lenny-cd to get Lenny: you have a working system and internet access.

Have fun!

On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 20:31:50 -0500, Paul Cartwright (ale@pcartwright.com) wrote:

> On Thu January 1 2009, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> > On Thu January 1 2009, Bob Cox wrote:
> > > > no, I have an always-on DSL connection.
> > > > Westell modem->linksys router->PC.
> > >
> > > Hi Paul - what's the output from ntpq -p please?
> >
> and then:
> # ntpq -p
> remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter
> ==============================================================================
> +keeleysam.com 129.6.15.28 2 u 37 64 377 62.332 158.333 360.774
> +wsip-98-172-32- 129.7.1.66 2 u 37 64 377 85.031 131.351 241.558
> +doctor-who.chpc 204.152.184.72 2 u 39 64 377 388.316 265.047 260.877
> +splenda.rustyte 99.150.184.201 2 u 39 64 377 409.798 277.070 309.525
> +kiri.nonexiste. 64.34.180.101 3 u 40 64 377 68.400 127.708 308.037
> *smtp.housefront 198.72.72.10 3 u 37 64 377 88.059 121.465 240.557
> wuarchive.wustl .INIT. 16 u - 64 0 0.000 0.000 0.000
> gilbreth.ecn.pu .INIT. 16 u - 64 0 0.000 0.000 0.000
> 10.10.10.10 .INIT. 16 u - 64 0 0.000 0.000 0.000
> +otc2.psu.edu 128.118.2.33 2 u 46 64 377 194.937 193.023 205.449
> +cudns.cit.corne 128.118.25.12 2 u 54 64 377 46.661 130.277 144.958

Hopefully, after it has been running for a while, it will settle down
and you will see smaller offset and jitter values and as that happens
the poll values should rise from 64 to 1024.

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On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Sonny Jordan <sonnyrme2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just want to say I have been slowly & patiently waiting for the stable
> release of 'Lenny".
> I have been trying others for fun. I decided tonight to go ahead & download
> the testing release of the KDE Lenny. I AM SO GLAD Y'ALL DID NOT USE THE
> STUPID & PITIFUL 'PULSE AUDIO'.!!
> I can actually hear my music with debian! I can also record Streamtuner!! I
> know it is not nice to mention names so I will just use the first letter of
> other distros using Debian repos that really suck on the afore mentioned. I
> have tried U, K, UUE & Mint(sorry) And only Mint Records But still cannot
> adjust volume to hear it good..
> I haveused Debian since around 3. I love Debian! It is quick,Understandale,
> & easy! The Debian install stinks though. No live CD. Takes about 20 min. to
> install. BUT it is worth it!

How long does it normally take to install desktops of other distros?

> Love your KDE version so far! I hope it is on the stable release.
> To all the people working on Debian...THANK YOU for the pleasure of being
> able to use & say that Debian is my desktop!

Nice that you like Debian!

--
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floss-and-misc.blogspot.com

On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:32 AM, ghe <ghe@slsware.com> wrote:
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>> I've realized most of my time in a computer I use
>> just an input/output line. (I don't even need a
>> vt100-like terminal, since I use 'ed' or 'sam' as
>> text-editors.) But I still need X because of
>> utf-8 fonts and anti-aliasing.
>>
>> Is it possible to get that without X? Can I get
>> my text-only terminal to use utf-8 and nice fonts?
>
> Define "nice" :-) It's possible to change the console font from huge to
> civilized (don't remember how; last time I did that, it involved some
> secret numbers on a grub menu line, I think), but you can't specify a
> *really* nice variable spaced, anti-aliased PS1/TT font, AFAIK.
>
> I bite the bullet and use X to get scrolling. Being able to get to those
> 2000 lines that just flew by can make life a lot easier.
>
> - --
> Glenn English
> ghe@slsware.com
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on a side note:

I like to use screen to see output that flew buy

Ctrl-A [

puts screen in copy mode where you can navigate the output with
up/down pageup/pagedown

followed by

--
David Schmidt | http://www.fm5.at

Douglas A. Tutty wrote, on 2009-01-02 15:21:

I have four HP NetServer LPr PII/450 servers. Two of them have HP
NetRaid 1si hardware raid cards (the others have NetRaid-1 cards).

Have you posted this query to the HP business support forums? Registration is required but fairly painless:

http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=118

On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 15:32, ghe <ghe@slsware.com> wrote:
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> Maurício wrote:
>
>> I've realized most of my time in a computer I use
>> just an input/output line. (I don't even need a
>> vt100-like terminal, since I use 'ed' or 'sam' as
>> text-editors.) But I still need X because of
>> utf-8 fonts and anti-aliasing.
>>
>> Is it possible to get that without X? Can I get
>> my text-only terminal to use utf-8 and nice fonts?
>
> Define "nice" :-) It's possible to change the console font from huge to
> civilized (don't remember how; last time I did that, it involved some
> secret numbers on a grub menu line, I think), but you can't specify a
> *really* nice variable spaced,

<snip>

There is nothing "nice" about variable width fonts on the CLI :-)

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers

On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 23:59:44 -0200, Daniel Cliff (daniel.cliff.email@gmail.com) wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Milan SKOCIC <milan.skocic@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "F-Spot is meant to be an easy-to-use photo management
> > application. It allows for importing of your existing
> > photo collections, tagging photos with identifiers,
> > as well as doing simple edits of photos".
> >
> > Personally I use it and I'm satisfied.
> >
> > Milan.
>
> I just tried it out and it's pretty nice, but I would like something
> more specialized to transfer the pictures from the camera to a local
> folder. Does anyone know if there is something like that?
> Specifically, I would like to:
> _ delete the pictures in the camera after successful file transfer (I
> guess most people normally do that in order to take new pictures,
> right?),
> _ rename the files according to some pattern (eg 20090101_001.jpg,
> 20090101_002.jpg etc)

One way is to use a simple script to rename each image file to a date
and time based format, such as YYYYMMDD-HHMMSS.jpg based on the image's
EXIF data. These data can be extracted with, for example, exiftime,
which is part of the exiftags package.

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Howdy ,

I used to ssh tunnel's to overcome NAT problems and just for fun.
One of the thins is to do ssh -L portonmypc:NATip:NATport
user@sshServerInFrontofNat
This will bring the abiulty to use most of things.

The question is there a way to connect this kind of tunnel to fakeip ?
for example something in type of :
/etc/hosts
ip:port natedpc.somedomain natedpc

so you can use your laptop (pc ) without further edittions.
what i mean is that if i used (
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH_VPN ) type i would need to set it
on two or more pc the tun devices , but i wish to do all the settings on
one pc.

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Sorry, turns out it was my bad. There was the wrong kernel installed in the
main partition, it was an xfs kernel instead of a ext4 kernel.

bottom line if anyone is interested. grub2 works with an ext4 root, you need a
kernel with ext4 support (2.6.28 at least) in that partition, one that does xfs
only will not work ;-)

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:29:49 +0200
Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> wrote:

> turns out the issue is ext4 which doesn't work with grub, but it does with
> grub2. The problem is that the kernel seems to miss read the partition.
>
> I setup another partition to rescue my system so now I have
> sda1: ext4 - original system
> sda5: ext3 - small rescue system
>
> grub2 installed on both (current is suppoesed to boot from sda1)
>
> if I set in grub
> set root=(hd0,5)
> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28 root=/dev/sda1 ro
>
> everything works fine
>
> If I set
> set root=(hd0,1)
> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28 root=/dev/sda1 ro
>
> I get a kernel panic: couldn't load root file system tried: xfs
>
> any idea on how I can get the kernel to recognize that it has ext4 file system
> so that I can dump the rescue partition (i.e make the first option work)?
>
> Thanx
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:22:32 +0200
> Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> wrote:
>
> > After the last update grub started booting into the command line (shows
> > grub> ) and seems to ignore menu.lst. I managed to boot by setting
> > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28
> > boot
> > I then tried to reinstall the kernel hoping that it would fix grub but now
> > when I try the same method to boot I get the error
> > Invalid or unsupported executable format
> > The drive is formated to ext4. grub worked after that but maybe the kernel
> > was written in a different method now?
> >
> > any ideas?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
>
>