Re: Erase cache, clean registry in Linux
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 09:41, lee <lee@yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 09:11:11PM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 00:36, lee <lee@yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
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>> >> > What the hell is "gnome-mount extension"?
>> >>
>> >> It handles semiautomatic mounting and unmounting in Gnome.
>> >
>> > How do I turn it off? I don't want anything to be mounted
>> > automatically or semi-automatically! Only root can do that --- if
>> > gnome tries to circumvent that, that is a huge security hole and a
>> > bug.
>>
>> To turn it off, don't start gnome. Maybe there is another way, but
>> I don't know.
>
> Well, that's one way ...
>
>> I mount stuff as a user all the time,
>
> I don't.
>
>> and it is not a bug.
>
> It's an incredibly huge security hole. It's breaking the whole concept
> of having different users with different permissions.
No, it just means that users have permission to mount whatever
is in fstab with the user/users options. That has been in Unix for
a long time.
>> Remember, most users are not like us. They are used to and like
>> windows, where you don't have to mount.
>
> Who cares about windoze? One reason why I hate it is that it always
> tries to take control of your computer out of your hands and tries to
> prevent you from doing things and tries to tell you what you are
> supposed to do which isn't what you want. It's amazing that people put
> up with that.
What I am saying is is that a goal of Gnome, and even KDE to
some extent, is to make Linux accessible to Windows users, so
Gnome must care about Windows.
> Besides, without correct mounting and unmounting, there's no way to
> make sure that all data has been written to the device which is about
> to be removed. You can't do that on windoze either, it will eventually
> complain and/or be messed up so that you need to reboot, though it
> sometimes works. And it's awfully slow with removable devices/media.
>
>> >> > What is "gnome-vfs-daemon"?
>> >>
>> >> gnome-vfs (recently replaced with gvfs and gio) is gnomes
>> >> virtual filesystem, similar to KDEs kio. It handles not only
>> >> file:/// URIs, but also ftp:, http:, smb:, ssh: and others.
>> >
>> > Another thing to hide from the user what's going on? How do I turn it
>> > off?
>>
>> Again, the way to not have it, would be to not use Gnome. GVFS,
>> the new version, also exports that capability via FUSE, so any app
>> can access it.
>
> And you don't have any control over your data anymore ...
Sure you do. If any app can access it from fuse, there is not really
a major difference between gvfs and the kernel VFS layer, and
other FS layers. If that still is not enough control, well, have fun
flipping your bits by hand.
>> Hiding info, and choices, from the user it one of the main principles
>> of Gnome.
>
> Well, then gnome is totally retarded. The idea is to provide options
> and information, not to take them away or to hide them. If you don't
> want information and options, then don't use a computer. The purpose
> of a desktop environment is to make options and information available
> and easy to use. Hiding them instead and making them difficult or
> impossible to use is contradictory to that.
Well, I like extensive control of my computer, and I like as much info
and as many options as possible, which is why I use Debian Linux
with a WM, not a Desktop Environment, and no Display Manager.
But most people are not like me. I am not really in Gnome's target
demographic. Gnome's chosen course has helped make it very
popular, and will probably ensure it's dominance as more average
users move to Linux. Which is fine by me, although I still won't
use it.
Cheers,
Kelly Clowers
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