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Re: Debian User List

Joe Hart <j.hart@orange.nl>:
>  John C wrote:
> > Greg Folkert wrote:
> >> On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 20:45 -0500, John C wrote:
> >>> Greg Folkert wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 13:45 -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote:
> >>>>> Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uhlar@fantomas.sk> wrote:
> >>>>>> Actually, I would prefer if [OT] messages would be kept [OOTL]
> >>>>>> (out of this list)
> >>>>> I said this once before and got shot down, but here it is again:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If this list is supposed to be for idle chit-chat among the
> >>>>> debian community, then we really have no mailing list
> >>>>> specifically for people to talk about debian, or get help
> >>>>> about debian. We should have at least another list, probably
> >>>>> "debian-help".
> >>>> Okay, so why would *I* subscribe to that list?
> >>>>
> >>> A better question would be.. Why would those who are tired of the OT
> >>> bull sessions want you to?
> >>>
> >>> It would probably be a lot better for the new users to help
> >>> themselves than to be pawns for your ego. Sure they'll make mistakes,
> >>
> >> Piss-off. I don't do it for ego, but it seems you do.
> > 
> > Actually, that was a little harsher than I meant it to be Greg. You are
> > not the worst offender. However, if you wonder where the ego comment
> > came from, please notice the highlighted *I* in your statement quoted
> > below. Then ask yourself why anyone would highlight a pronoun when
> > talking about themselves?
> > 
> > "Okay, so why would *I* subscribe to that list?"

It was a rhetorical question, asking specifically "What's in it for
me?"  Forking the list is a very old topic, one that was beaten to
death long ago.

> > be, I've decided to unsubscribe.
>  Well, goodbye (if you ever see this John)

There's always the archives at lists.debian.org if he's curious.  I
suspect he'll be happier at *buntu.  Feh.

>  I expect that when Etch releases, this list will be flooded with people
>  requesting help,

Yup.  Always has been in the past at least.

>  and while I might not know the answers to everything, I might
>  actually be able to help people and by doing so be giving something
>  to the community.  So far I think I have helped a total of 3 people
>  and gotten 2 thank you messages for that.

Three.  Thank you.  I've been doing what you're doing now since the
late '90s.  It's community.  Help newbies, and you help newbies to
become more than newbies, and when they're more than newbies, they can
begin to provide useful bug reports, and that helps the DDs, and that
helps Debian, and that helps upstream, and that helps Free Software,
and that creates a better world.  Die, entropy, die!  :-)

>  I am looking forward to being able to provide help to new users and
>  give thanks to the people who have directly or indirectly helped
>  me.  I am thankful that I found this list and although I am not
>  real happy about the large amount of off-topic discussion, I do not
>  regret subscribing to this list, nor do I plan on unsubscribing.

I'm pretty sure I remember writing the same thing close to a decade ago.

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