Re: Booting Debian/testing fails
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 11:54:46PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 03:40:24PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > > Don't reply to this. I'm blocking out this list from now on.
> > >
> > > I'm curious. I've thought back over this thread and can't recall
> > > (without digging through the archives) what happened here that might
> > > have provoked this sort of response.
> > >
> > > I do recall that there was not a lot of good detailed information from
> > > OP on the problem, but maybe I missed it. What are we, as a community
> > > of trying-to-be-helpful users, doing to cause this reaction? It seems
> > > to be happening more and more, though maybe I'm new enough to not see
> > > the pattern properly. Clearly this guy is upset, frustrated, but to
> > > block out the list that's supposed to be trying to help is
> > > disturbing.
> > I think that some of the problem may be a function of becoming, dare I
> > say it, main stream? It used to be, people would just do windows since
> > to them it was the only OS and it came with the box (so why change).
> > Now people, for a variety of reasons (macs change archetecture, problems
> > with constantly paying for new MS stuff, whatever), people who before
> > wouldn't consider a *N*X are doing so. And they're not prepared.
> > They may never have installed an OS before. They figure, get the CD,
> > pop it in, click OK, and its done. They're not hackers. They've never
> > even opened their boxes. They think a "hard drive" is the whole case
> > sitting on the floor. When their expectations aren't realized, they
> > get:
> > frustrated: what's going on?
> > scared: I need the computer for work tomorrow. Now what?
> > Debian Stable doesn't work with their newer hardware. They're scared of
> > something called 'testing'.
> > I think that we need a big "NEW to UNIX-Like Operating Systems like
> > Debian?" button on the front page of the web site. It could take them
> > to a short introduction about what *N*X is like, and how to get
> > documentation and support.
> Kantonix, Mepis, Ubuntu, and others *based* on Debian.
> Personally, I don't think that Debian is geared towards newbies but more
> towards admins and people who seem to know what they are doing. Hence
> the formation of Kantonix, Mepis, Ubuntu, and others *based* on Debian.
> Unfortunately the distinction is not made clear anywhere.
Yes. There's a sharp distinction between distributions based on Debian,
such as the above, and subdistributions, which are more like a
collection of packages within Debian, such as the medical and
educational versions of Debian.
> Don't forget to check that your /etc/apt/sources.lst entries point to
> etch and not testing, otherwise you may end up with a broken system once
> etch goes stable.
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