Re: Social Contract
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 10:28:09PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Christopher Nelson wrote:
> >On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 09:47:38PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >
> >>Mumia W wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >>>That's it! You've quite certainly identified yourself as a member of the
> >>>Right Wing. You associate all attempts of people to resist the power of
> >>
> >>I am not a Right Winger. I am not any sort of Socialist. The terms
> >>"Left Wing" and "Right Wing" originate in the French Legislature,
> >>where the two wings of the Socialist Parties sat in the left and
> >>right wings of the building. Since I am not a Socialist, I am
> >>neither Left Wing, nor Right Wing.
> >
> >
> >I'll wager that you know what Mumia meant, but in case you're only
>
> Well, I'm not certain I fully understand what he meant, except
> that for him the term "Right Wing" seems to indicate someone with
> reprehensible beliefs, atttitudes, or actions. Certainly not someone
> he choses to associate with.
To some Right Wing is inherently associated with the likes of fascism
and Nazism, which isn't true, just for others, Left Wing is inherently
associately with Stalinism.
> >political grounding is historical--Right Wing is those who favour status
> >quo and business' rights and capitalism and often restrictions on
> >personal rights. So you are most definately Right Wing, as the DFSG,
>
> Umm. Not by my understanding of the term. But even by what you write
> here, I'm not "Right Wing". I don't favor status quo. I do favor
> capitalism. I do not favor restrictions on personal rights. I don't
> know what "business' rights" means. Businesses are associations of
> people. They don't have any existence apart from the people who
> constitute them. Businesses (I suppose you mean "corporations") as
> "persons" are legal fictions, and have no rights, only privileges.
> The people who constitute the businesses have rights. So I don't see
> how I can favor what I don't believe exists.
Okay, I probably should not have presumed too much knowledge of your
potitical/economic beliefs, but the posts you made indicated the above
to me, which is what I was basing it on.
> >which support personal rights; changing the way 'traditional software'
> >is developed; and is not business-associated; scares and irks you so
> >greatly. And, according to Wikipedia, the original Right Wingers
>
> It frightens me not a bit, nor does it irk me. Usually, anger is a
> secondary reaction to fear. I see that Mumia appears to be angry.
> I wonder what he fears? I'm certainly not angry nor fearful.
I didn't mean irk in the sense of 'to anger' but rather in the sense of
'to annoy'.
> I am concerned sometimes by the lack of QA I see on releases of various
> distributions of Linux. Debian seems somewhat better than others on
> this score. That's one reason I have recommended it to others
> who wish to load some version of Linux on their machines. QA policies
> and procedures are a consideration for me. It is in this sense
> that I don't like some of the ways I see "non traditional" development
> taking place. But companies like MicroSoft also don't understand
> how to do proper QA, either, so that's not a peculiar objection
> to Debian or any other Linux distro.
I think that's a product of the "There's never enough time to do it
right, but there's always enough time to do it over" philosophy, which
is contrary to Debian's 'release it when it's ready' idea.
But QA, while important, wasn't what I understood the issue here to be.
Maybe I was wrong.
> >weren't Socialists, but rather Monarchists. Take that for what you
> >will.
>
> I'm certainly not a Monarchist.
Okay, maybe I wasn't clear on that, my "take that for what you will"
applied to the rest of the statement. I wasn't meaning to call you a
Monarchist by that statement--Wikipedia goes so far as to say that
definition is obselete.
--
Christopher Nelson -- chris@cavein.org
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