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Re: Using Ubuntu when I'm used to Debian.

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:03:27 -0400
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <roberto@familiasanchez.net> wrote:

> Quoting Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>:
> >
> > one of the symptoms of "user friendliness". Ubuntu, I assume, makes 
> > the assumption that they are pulling in windows users who want a 
> > windows type mail environment with MUA talking smtp and pop to 
> > smarthosts out on the 'net at large instead of a local mail 
> > distribution system. I'm sure there are other symptoms of a similar 
> > nature where they are moving away from the *nix heritage in the 
> > interest of user-friendliness. I wonder how that plays out in the 
> > long run?
> >
> I have become a fan of the *nix philosophy and *nix heritage ever since 
> I started using Debian (about 3.5 years ago).  However, this is one are 
> (mail distribution) where I do not agree.  Each network should have 
> some specifically designated *outbound* mail exchangers.  All other 
> hosts should be blocked from sending any outbound mail to the public 
> net.  That is just part of being a good netizen.  A while back I was 
> getting tons of spam from a host in the state government of New Mexico 
> netblock.  It was somebody's laptop that got infected and started 
> relaying spam.  That is ridiculuous.
> The fact is that the majority of users lack sufficient knowledge to 
> properly admin an MTA.  They should simply configure their systems to 
> point to their ISPs or organizations mail relays.  I'm not saying that 
> local mail distribution is obsolete, just that a situation where every 
> host on a network can send email to the public Internet is part of the 
> problem we are currently experiencing.
> When I still had SBC, they decided to block all outbound port 25 
> traffic.  I was infuriated since I was paying for their Internet 
> service and didn't feel that I should have to opt-out of this port 25 
> block.  I was able to get them to ublock it when I explained to them 
> that I wanted to run my own mail server and that I knew what I was 
> doing.  Thinking back, though, I realize it was a great idea from their 
> part since most users are clueless.
> A distro targeted at clueless users (or the masses, or whatever other 
> euphamism you prefer), should take precautions not to create a 
> situation where they can easily mess up.

excellent point and perspective. Thanks Roberto.


> -Roberto
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